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Well, I’ll certainly be watchin’ this thread!
I can’t imagine anyone being bothered by AR-15 recoil.
It is almost not even noticeable and I have never liked recoil.
This country really has gone pansy, hasn't it...
The Mousegun only makes spring noises (when it fires), it doesn't kick.
Reminds me of what I told an army buddy of mine who served in Vietnam same time I did. He told me that the "M-14 was too heavy and kicked too hard for Vietnam - the M-16 was much better". I told him that he should have told me: I'd have sent a big, strong Marine with him to hold his rifle up for him.
I think you’re mixing terms somewhat. The recoil reducer in the stock is called a buffer. Piston systems are used as a replacement for the direct impingment method of cycling the rifle.
There are a fair number of buffers of various weights to tune the recoil. Hydraulic buffers offer the most recoil reduction, but are generally used on full auto rifles.
I recommend you go to AR15.com to research the topic. If they can’t answer your question, there is no answer.
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Total recoil force is caused by the outflow of gas and the bullet, compared to the weight of the rifle. You can reduce the effect of the gas with a muzzle brake, but you get the gas pushed back at you. That might cause you to blink, and that may lead to more delay than the recoil. If you add some weight to the rifle (add a 6 lb of weight such as filling your pistol grip with lead, and more lead in your shoulder stock, and add a large scope)) you can change the ratio. For more class, add gold instead of lead.
Peak recoil force can be reduced by spreading recoil out in time. That can be accomplished by a properly tuned rubber pad. If your rifle bolt bangs back into the stop you could get a momentary peak, but that is from the weight of the bolt, not the rifle. You can add a stronger spring to reduce that, but most of the recoil has already happened (the gas tube is out near the muzzle, and the gas has to propagate back to the bolt, so the round is gone before the bolt unlocks. The disadvantage with a stronger spring is you reduce reliability. The operating spring must be in tune with the magazine spring, and further, a light round may not push the bolt all the way back.
A better way to reduce the time between hits on a target is to go with a few friends. That is how we did it in the Civil War.
If quicker follow up shots are the goal, use a bipod, sandbags, or install a heavy barrel.
The military really frowns in troopies self modifying issued weapons with non-approved parts.
You really have a recoil issue with an AR in .223?
Reducing cyclic rates on a Class III device does have merit wrt accuracy (which is what the devices you linked to are designed to do, while simultaneously lengthening the recoil impulse) - but in a semi-automatic what’s the point?
If recoil is really causing an accuracy issue when shooting an AR - I’d suggest in order of expense: a directional muzzle brake on your existing bbl.; a smaller caliber upper i.e. a .22LR upper from a reliable manufacturer, lastly an HBAR 20” upper in .223.
It’s your money - spend it how you wish.
can you ask him what brand they use???Never owned an AR-15 but was asked to come up with a hydraulic buffer system for one when I worked at a company that was part of parent corporation that owned Colt at the time. The stock buffer is filled with metal disks and rubber disks stacked separately that act as a dead blow hammer when the bolt is cycled. On a recoil or return, the weights pancake to slow the rebound action of the bolt. This slows the rate of fire. The idea that I worked was to substitute a hydraulic shock absorber unit for the weighted buffer. This was to reduce the bounce affect of the bolt hitting the end of travel which was the main cause of the shaking the rifle off target. I only test fired one once with the new design versus the stock design in single action mode since they only let us have one civilian model to play with. There was a slight reduction in the cycling bounce but I think it would had more pronounce affect if the rifle had the three round burst capability. Made up a half dozen units which were sent off for Colt to test. We heard no formal results, just a thanks-but-no-thanks comment back stating that it didn’t offer that much improvement with the three round burst. A couple of years later (after the parent corporation had sold Colt off), I heard they resurrected the idea and incorporated it in the rifles. The rifle buffer was long enough to incorporate a hydraulic mechanism but the carbine buffer is too short for all the stuff that needed to go in. Unless you are going full auto or three round burst, such a device would not offer any advantage in a civilian AR model IMHO.
I belive what your friend was referring to is a hydrauluc buffer assembly. It will improve you rifle in too many areas to list here. Checkout the Enidine AR-Restor Hydraulic Carbine Buffer at http://www.buffertech.com/AR-Restor-Hydraulic-Recoil-Carbine-Buffer-P178.aspx
GI’s and Jarheads (Semper Fi!- no insult intended) are changing to these as fast as they can get their hands on them. The key word to these units is weapons reliability. Not to mention, actual reduced recoil, smoother operation, increased accuracy in fully auto, etc., etc.
These are not a gimmick and really do...do what they say. It will cost you about $89.00 which is cheapo for the improvement you get. Most of the improvement is firing; using one of the buffers in a scoped, fully auto version. Best though is Hundreds of percent improvement in reliability. That’s what the pro’s want.
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Reduce recoil on an AR??? Maybe bulk up?
Go back to an M16A1 and stay away from all the "cool guy" optics and other junk on the gun. If you can't engage at 460 meters with iron sites on an M16A1, you should be issued an M249 and spray the hell out of the target.
The heavy barrel on the M16A2 was an improvement, but the 3 round burst mechanism and change in rifling was an abortion.
If this guy is doing door-kicker exercises, he may require a weapon that is easier to maneuver in narrow confines, but most troops don't need the M4.
BTW- The recoil is negligent. He needs to reinforce his 8-steady hold factors instead of looking for the holy grail.
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