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Texas Hunter Education, or “Indiana Jones and the Temple of Fudds”
The Truth About Guns ^ | Nick Leghorn

Posted on 09/19/2012 11:46:20 AM PDT by Joseph Harrolds

To hunt in the state of Texas, if you were born within the last 30 years, you need to have passed an approved hunter education class and carry the proof with you. Unless you pay $10 for a one year deferral, like I did last year. Unfortunately that deferral is a

Let me back up a second here. The term “Fudd” is derived, of course, from the Elmer Fudd, the hunter in the Looney Tunes cartoons. And in Pennsylvania, it’s used to describe a certain kind of person. Specifically, one who believes the only purpose for firearms is hunting, that the only acceptable type of rifle is the kind their pappy gave them in the 1960s (and that all others should be illegal) and is generally intolerant of change. In other words, a crotchety old fart.

Perfect example from back in Pennsylvania: I was with my shooting team at a state game lands range (which used to be free) sighting in our AR-15 rifles for a coming 3-gun match. It was just us, and an older gentleman who was hoovering up all the brass from the range and putting it in a bag to take home. We were being perfectly safe, following all of the rules, and even being downright courteous to the old man who was picking up our brass the second it hit the ground. But no more than five minutes after he left the police arrived, saying they got a tip that people were shooting machine guns and destroying the range.

That, my friends, was a Fudd. He called the police because he didn’t like the way our guns looked and wanted to get us arrested.


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1 posted on 09/19/2012 11:46:24 AM PDT by Joseph Harrolds
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Fudds suck, there really is no two ways about it.

They’ll gladly toss gun owners under the buss as long as they can keep their hunting rifles/shotguns, yet non-hunting gun owners will back all gun owners no matter what.

Fudds don’t realize that once they have made other firearms illegal, theirs will be next.

I’m not just saying this as a gun owners, I’m saying it as a hunter also who predominantly use a bow when hunting.


2 posted on 09/19/2012 11:53:11 AM PDT by gjones77
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To: Joseph Harrolds

Ping for later.


3 posted on 09/19/2012 11:56:40 AM PDT by Zippo44 (Liberal: another word for poltroon.)
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To: Joseph Harrolds

Whenever I shoot my AR15s, I always save a loaded mag for one or more of the old timers that started and maintain our club. They hear a lot of rapid fire and some become concerned, as we’ve had range vandalism in the past.

After going through a mag of ammo, they’re right on board and I never have issues.

There’s on excuse for Fudds, though.


4 posted on 09/19/2012 12:05:29 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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There’s been some high-profile Fudds: Bill Ruger and Zumbo come to mind. With Fudds for friends, who needs enemies?


5 posted on 09/19/2012 12:08:45 PM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: Joseph Harrolds

I find a post about “Fudds” by a fellow named “Leghorn” quite amusing :)


6 posted on 09/19/2012 12:18:40 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Joseph Harrolds

Used to be that whole NRA was run by Fudds. Believe it or not, we have Bill Clinton to thank for our current upswing in the popularity of black rifles. His immensely stupid “assault rifle ban” caused people to grab as many semis as they could find and this popularity shook up the ranks of the Old Guard. Funds can’t be trusted to be in power.


7 posted on 09/19/2012 12:19:31 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: gjones77

Don’t worry the bows will be on the list in the future too.


8 posted on 09/19/2012 12:20:40 PM PDT by Ratman83
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To: SJSAMPLE
I don't take magazine rifles to public ranges. Too much BS, especially on rural ranges. Range officers assume that your weapon is an illegal machine gun and hover over you like flies on ****; damage that happened last weekend when you weren't even in town in attributed to you; and invariably some bozo will insinuate that you went "full auto" in the last set.

As for handing off to the oldtimers, the only time I tried that the jackwagon tried to force the selector into the (nonexistant) auto position, so convinced was he that I had an illegally modded weapon.

9 posted on 09/19/2012 12:24:20 PM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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I shoot at a private club, but you’re right.

I used to shoot at a DNR range south of Indianapolis, but it became a hassle when they stocked it with you’re standard semi-retired DNR “officer”-type.

As soon as you get out of your car, he comes running up asking to see your ID and concealed weapons permit. I told him it was none of his business and drove off and never went back.

In my home state of Michigan, the DNR had a “one round” rule. One round in the gun and magazine at any time. Really a pain in the ass and just stupid.

The old timers at my club are pretty decent. They’ve procured a lot of NRA and DNR money to rebuild all the ranges and it’s one of the best clubs in Indiana and has won the NRAs club of the year award.


10 posted on 09/19/2012 12:40:54 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Chainmail
You are correct. The NRA back about 1980 was well on the way to being successfully co opted into becoming part of the ‘sensible gun control’ community. Clinton thought his gun control initiatives would be a smart move to win over the ‘soccer mom vote’ his triangulationists assured him of this. Instead it was the single biggest factor in the demonrat Congressional route of ‘94. It also got the fudds marginalized at the NRA. However they are still around in significant numbers and at NRA HQ as professional staffers. The current NRA president, Keane, is a compromise figure trying to straddle the gun rights and fudd divide. As with compromisers in general he is a weak place holder who at least knows he is just supposed to be a figurehead and this is the last stop before he will pretty much retire from the Beltway scene. He basically presided over the decline of the American Conservative Union from a potential true grassroots sparkplug organization back in the 70’s to its current near invisibility. Rumor that I trust is that the demonrats have something to hold over Keane, very possibly that he lives in a comfortable closet. In any case I encourage all to belong to the NRA but also belong to Gun Owners of America. They refuse to be located in the DC area so they avoid catching Potomac Fever that is endemic among the beltway dwellers.
11 posted on 09/19/2012 12:45:43 PM PDT by robowombat
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"One-shot rule?!" Gah! That sounds like a California thing it is so bad.

Where I live in MD we are down to one private club range. The rest have been zoned or sued out of existance. Unfortunately, the remaining club has a "deal" with the State Police that has filled the staff with current and ex-LEOs who expect to see only fellow LEOs handling modern weapons. They also enforce a "3-shots-a-minute" policy for members while the LEOs get to chew up the equipment with full auto M4s on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

But it is still better than the public range.

12 posted on 09/19/2012 12:54:01 PM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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Where in MD? I used to shoot at the Col. William Batargis Memorial range near New Market.

That was in the 80’s and I can only imagine how it’s changed in MD.


13 posted on 09/19/2012 1:06:10 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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Not one who shoots “black”, the Fudd complaint is very similar to “mughoggers” 4X4 runners.

Back before any of the 4X4 idiots were running wild and tearing up every trail or backroad in the woods, most of us never had a problem hunting on anyone’s land. Then here come the “mentally children with 4X4 pickups” who had some need to prove how destructive they could be to both land and their machines, didn’t take long before no one wanted to allow anyone to hunt on their land.

Whether or not you shoot full auto or tear up the ranges or trash the places, you are now seen as part of the ones that do. Thank the idiots, not the old dudes.


14 posted on 09/19/2012 1:06:27 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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Hmm. Interesting details from "inside" the NRA. It's no surprise that they have Fudds on staff at HQ. Some of the worst treatment that I've ever received from range staff was meted out there. They are comfortable with patrons firing black rifles only if those patrons are LEOs (you see a lot of badges on belts there) or pretty girls.

Revenge came on a busy Friday evening in the form of a Mosin Nagant M44, a spam can of acrid combloc ammo and a numb shoulder. The LEOs were all thinking "he'll be on his knees after ten rounds." They were oh so wrong. By the time I was finished I was nearly alone. Even the range officers had retreated to thier little office. ;-)

15 posted on 09/19/2012 1:09:48 PM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Carroll County. It was a Republican stronghold in the '90s, but it is slowly cracking. Thanks to the Obamaconomy I am stuck here for the duration.

It's not the 80s anymore here. It was nice to be a shooter here back then. Not so much now. Darn few gun shops left, too. But there is at least one club considering opening a new range, so there is hope.

16 posted on 09/19/2012 1:18:56 PM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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The M44, the king of muzzle blast! I stood by a guy firing one once and it was like getting whacked with board every time he fired.


17 posted on 09/19/2012 1:22:10 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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I still have family in Easton.

I’m very fortunate here in NM. The headquarters of the Single Action Shooting Society is 6 miles from my house in the mountains, and they have both pistol and rifle ranges open to the public, as well as a sporting clays range.


18 posted on 09/19/2012 1:25:05 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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Very similar to a west-side Indianapolis range (Eagle Creek) that I lived near. It was posted as OPEN certain days of the week, but you’d show up and some cop would meet you in the parking lot and tell you to “turn around”. The cops would show up and confiscate the range on days they weren’t scheduled.

None of that bullshit at my private range.


19 posted on 09/19/2012 1:27:25 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: jboot
In virginia, we call people who can't tell a semi from a full auto "draft dodgers". A putz who doesn't know the difference didn't serve his country in uniform.

At the ranges I shoot at here, we welcome all shooters as long as they are safe.

20 posted on 09/19/2012 1:33:25 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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