Posted on 08/29/2012 9:36:23 AM PDT by Bigtigermike
The result of the RNC new rules will be to centralize power in the hands of the Republican Establishment in Washington at the expense of the grass roots. It will also have the effect of making a primary challenge to Romney from the right in 2016 (if he wins) more difficult, given that he will control the party apparatus to an unprecedented degree given his new rules. Mark Levin stated that John Boehner ignored the “nos” which were at least as loud, if not louder than the “ayes” so that he could give Romney surrogate John Sununu, standing right next to him, what he wanted. By simply circumvented the vote by declaring ”the ayes gave it” despite all evidence to the contrary. What has the Republican Party become?
(Note: this is the only video I could find of the coup and so the poster of the original video thinks this is Paulbots negative doings when it's not - as was noted yesterday, a lot of Tea Party and grassroots conservatives were upset as well because they know that the potential for the Establishment to rig the primaries in future at will is in play)
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What does he care. He will be reelected in his district and he will be Majority leader until he wants to give it up or we lose the House. We all complain and complain about things but do nothing to change it. For years we have said how much Romney is such a loser and guess what? As soon as the loser is nominated, he suddenly becomes the greatest thing on Earth. GOPe is going to do whatever it wants because they know the conservatives are going to lock step behind whoever it is regardless. The GOPe have it pretty good quite frankly.
The ignorant asking to be chained.
Yesterday I told a couple of friends about this. They dismissed it out of hand as a bunch of Paulnuts having a fit, and made it clear they don’t care about any crooked maneuverings the GOP might do.
The end of the Republican Party as the conservative party.
That's what it was. The intent of the rule changes were to deal with the paulbots who've been disrupting the state conventions and trying to impose minority will on the majority of Republicans and conservatives. These paulbots hate the Romney wing of the party like many here do, but they hate the Santorum/Huckabee social conservative wing of the party even more. Paulbots are not conservatives, just libertarians who realize their 3rd party is never going to get them anywhere. They are attempting a hostile takeover and Republicans at the local and state level were slow to react, but now they have. These rules changes may have been overkill, but they were aimed at dealing with paultards who are never going to vote for the eventual nominee no matter who it was (unless it was Paul of course).
And then the next week at the convention when George Romney only got 40 votes to Goldwaters 800+ he stomped angrily out of the convention hall young impressionable Willard in tow and went and helped Johnson against the Republicans...
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Thanks for considering.
Me, too. I might be mistaken, but I think Rush busted the Paul meme, as well.
If it was Paulnuts, you should inform Mark Levin; he disagrees.
As for the “hate” of the Romney wing of the party, doesn’t it bother you that conservatives now sling that word around as loosely as liberals ever have? Trying to personalize conservatives’ rejection of liberalism is beneath us.
So if you are in fact a conservative who wants to cast a vote for the candidate who truly means to deliver on a promise to limit the size of government, cut federal spending, and safeguard the rights of the individual, to what party do you turn?
Not the Republicans, that's for sure. Some of them talk a good game, but what they actually do is a different story. That being the case, the voter who actually wants government off his back may as well stay home come election day.
Reading that is very heartening. What worries me at the moment is the tendency of so many people to deliberately blind themselves to anything Romney and the GOP do. We need to see more of what happened in your state.
(I left the party in 2007 rather than be a member of a moderate party. I'm voting for Romney since he is superior to Obama, and I'm not about to miss my chance to vote against him again.)
The Republican party is the better of the two for those things you list. However, you're leaving off half of what makes a paultard. They also believe loopy info-wars conspiracy theories, abandoning Israel, that it's okay if Iran gets nukes, that a wall along the Southern border might be used to keep Americans from fleeing to Mexico, etc - you know the crazy stuff that makes it impossible for Ron Paul to really get an traction beyond his drug addled college mushhead following.
That being the case, the voter who actually wants government off his back may as well stay home come election day.
Most people realize that general elections are simply a choice between the 2 tickets that have any chance of winning. Voting for the least bad option is the norm in 2 party systems. It sucks, but that's just how it is. Maybe once or twice in your lifetime will you really have someone to get excited about voting for in a general election.
Paultards do not have some constitutional right to be in the GOP. If they aren't going to support it's nominees, then they should just go away. Maybe try taking over the Democrat party and see if they are more agreeable to an insurgency within their ranks who have no intention to support the actual party nominees.
I'm not talking about pro-Paul chauvinists... I'm talking about genuine conservatives. Forget about the Paulistas and answer me this: If I want smaller government, not just government growing more slowly than before or government growing in different ways through different means than the Liberals want but actually SMALLER government, who do I vote for?
Saying that the Republicans are closer to what I want in that regard misses the point. It's like telling a man who's thirsty for a drink of water that used fryer oil is closer to what he is looking for than Drano is.
Romney won't get my vote this year. I can see how our current president, a product of Chicago politics, is a bad idea; I don't see how voting for a product of Boston politics is any better.
They ignore the fact that Reagan did get elected while the moderates Ford, Dole and McCain did not.
“What does he care. He will be reelected in his district and he will be Majority leader until he wants to give it up or we lose the House.”
I said nearly two years ago that Boehner needed to be primaried, and if that failed he needed to face a strong third party challenger just to make an example of him. “Oh, no, we can’t afford to lose that representation!”
How much representation do you have now?
“They dismissed it out of hand as a bunch of Paulnuts having a fit”
Yep. One thing the Geriatric Old Plotters can do well is coordinate lies.
You never know. It may come down to you or me.
This election is a done deal. Paul is older than dirt and this was probably his last campaign. This is not about Paul - that's a Shibboleth. This is about purging conservatives and making sure no more conservative presidential candidates slip through the GOP defenses like Reagan did. If these rules stand, the GOP will never nominate another conservative for president because the party machinery is completely owned and controlled by the left. Similar techniques have been employed by academia to purge themselves of the “right wingers.”
“Geriatric Old Plotters”
Dang, I like that one a lot, LOL.
He didn’t ignore the nos, he declared the Yay’s had it, and looking at the floor, he was right.
Don’t have to like the resolution, but what I saw sure didn’t give me the impression he ignored or improperly called the vote.
wow - what a find, from history; you’re a great sleuth; thanks from all of us
He is a phallic symbol.
A very astute observation.
Need this in California.
Wow. When?
It was around the time of the Detroit riots and Romney brought Alinsky in to help solve the problems of Detroit.
Its like giving a 3 year old a loaded gun and sending him out on the playground to play cowboys and indians with the other kids.
Such a tainted family. How can the Republican party call him one of their own?
Your choice is the Republican or Democrat ticket. That's it. Those are the options. You can vote for whichever party is closer to your views (or at least contains people sympathetic to it), vote for the one furthest from your views, or take your ball and go home and waste your vote on some irrelevant candidate/party. I'm sorry, but those are your choices. Your chance to really make a difference is in party primaries. Very rarely in a 2 party system will you have a candidate to genuinely be excited about voting for in a general election. For many of us, that has never happened. For most, it was only Ronald Reagan. This is the way it will always be. Get used to it.
Your discontent should be directed at the founding fathers, who, like it or not, created a 2 party system with no possibility for coalition government. That means two party's will generally hug the center to get 50%+1 votes and win. So you can call for a constitutional convention I suppose, or shake your fist to the heavens, whine and cry, whatever, who cares. There are people who sit out every election on both sides. Go to a leftie forum and you'll encounter a lot of liberals who think Obama isn't leftwing enough so they refuse to vote. Go figure. So you are one less vote to help get rid of Obama. If that makes you feel good about yourself, more power to you I suppose.
At this point, the best I can hope for is the dignity of not having co-operated with driving the nation over a cliff. Yeah, that's what's going to happen... but it will happen without me helping it along.
Watching the video: definitely hearing the no people were the majority. The fix was in before the vote, most definitley. There should have been a roll-call vote! This is so undemocratic!
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