UFO For Sale, Check It Out

E=Bay ^ | Aug 8 2012 | dyanamae2001

[Yosemitest]

Wow, now I know the source of some of those weird sitings.

[Gaffer]

Go to eBay to see the real item for sale. It is NOT the one in the picture.

[P.O.E.]

“For sale is UFO on other photos with full aluminum construction in green color and black leather covered wings.”

AWEsome
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“About our knowledge, what we know just from rumor by mouth, there existed two prototypes of this aircraft. The previous one which was actually flying and then was donated to the Air force of India during the 60’s and 70’s which was used to train the fighter pilots and what happened with this aircraft nobody knows and it disappeared in time”

Even more awesomeness.

[equaviator]

NOT A UFO AND NEVER WAS!

[Yosemitest]

I tried to post that photo, but I couldn't get it, and the photo posted is the closest to it.

[Yosemitest]

Okay, you name that aircraft. Identify it, if you can.

[Dr.Zoidberg]

It’s hard enough to get a “flying wing” aircraft to be stable with fly by wire, that thing looks like a decommissioned old crop duster that someone took and wrapped a swimming pool cover over the wings to make it look “cool”.

For sale. One semi-circular death machine, never used. Inquire within...

[Gaffer]

Understood. However, the one for sale is a very very crude facsimile of the one the USAF had in its photo. This must have been a very early prototype from a bidder who didn’t get the job.

[Gaffer]

Never said it was.

[Yosemitest]

After 26 plus years of USAF air traffic control and 4 years of FAA air traffic control, I would guess that it was aerodynamically neutral (at best) or unstable.
Here, read this:

U.S. built flying wing disc aircraft? (1946 - 1967)

[WKUHilltopper]

“For sale is UFO on other photos with full aluminum construction in green color and black leather covered wings.”

If it doesn’t have cup holders, forget it!

[Catmom]

How many light years does it have on it?

[Gaffer]

An excerpt of the long story in the link : THEY DO EXIST Jack and Harold learned that some experimental jet aircraft were being stored at the base salvage/scrap-yard. These particular aircraft had already been decommissioned/declassified, and were parked directly outside, and NOT in a hangar. ................... "My gosh! Those are Flying Saucers! Those things really do exist!". There, parked outside on a taxi-way near the base scrap-yard, were four flying wing discs, measuring 20, 40, 70 and 116 feet in diameter. ...................... Because they were the last remaining of their model, the Master Sergeant of the Non-Commissioned Officer's Club telephoned the Adjutant General's Office for permission for Polaroid photographs to be taken.......................The Master Sergeant stated to Jack that he was not sure what these aircraft were for, but thought they might be some sort of "test" aircraft. The General's Office suggested that Jack use higher quality official Air Force photographs available at the Adjutant General's library at MacDill. .....................Jack was issued for his article, the highest security clearance ever given to any civilian publisher due to his prior work with SAC/TAC/Navy/Army bases. Under armed military guard, Jack was personally shown literally hundreds of official U.S.A.F. photographs of these aircraft in formation flight, on the tarmac, and was shown portions of motion picture footage of these aircraft in flight. Jack was allowed to select those photographs best suited for the up-coming NCO Club newsletter article, and obtain additional detailed information concerning the discs. ...............

Yeah, last time I looked when in the AF back then, the Master Sergeant of the NCO Club called all the shots about secret military aircraft. As for the highest clearance granting - just plain BS, there's still such a thing as NEED TO KNOW.... Lastly, all the pictures in the link are computer graphics generations. Apologize for the length of the excerpt - tried to cut as much as possible but one has to get a sense of just how poorly documented the site's recounts are.

[equaviator]

As long as the USAF knows what it was (then and now) it’s not a UFO.

Don’t make the mistake of assuming that just because the public doesn’t know what it is, that it was ever a UFO.

[Yosemitest]

Take a look at the one for sale's cockpit and glass and compare it to the cockpit of this TBF Avenger.

I think it's close and it's possible one might have been used to construct the one for sale.

[Gaffer]

Yes, it looks like it could be.

[Yosemitest]

The public couldn't identify it, hence it's an "unidentified flying object".
Enjoy the humor.

[Yosemitest]

I've had several co-workers that spent time at “Dream-Land”
and the military was experimenting with some pretty weird stuff in the 60’s and 70’s, out in Nevada.

[Yosemitest]

That’s not leather. It’s radar absorbing paint.

[Gaffer]

Oh yes....the AF was adventurous and full of grits back in the post war years (and for some efforts, a couple of decades afterwards). They’d just won a war, feeling their oats, moved into the jet age - made tremendous advances in altitude, speed, endurance, etc (expanding the flight envelope). America was rich, the superpower with money to burn.

Then, science began to give way to politics - jobs. B-2 was overbloated because of California jobs and jobs in key districts, Osprey, C-17, KC-135 replacement, et al were more politics than procurement.

[equaviator]

“Enjoy the humor.”

It IS to laugh!

[Yosemitest]

My co-workers were there during the U-2 and SR-71, and the for project Tacit Blue.
Now what comes after the US secret 'space plane': X-37B ?

[Vaquero]

I knew the gummint wuz sellin some shuttles, but?...

[Yosemitest]

Now that's MORE THAN JUST a Land Rover!

[Gaffer]

Skunkworks projects (U-2 and SR71) IIRC.

I was stationed at a place (Kadena) where the SR flew almost daily, headed west. We called them the “Habu” at the base, locally. There were also one or two U-2s around.

There’s the old tale of how Kennedy was going to announce the new 3000 MPH plane, the RS71. He said “SR71” and they ended up changing the designation.

What’s next? Well I don’t believe it’s a hypersonic vehicle to move stuff or people from one place to another. I could believe a kill vehicle with something like a daisy cutter / bunkerbuster , or even an EMP on board for a one-way trip.

[airborne]

100% of the final sale price will support Aura Humanitatis-

About this nonprofit:
Church of Scientific Theology is a scientifically based church for the 3rd millenium - with its own very specific theological theory Scientific Theology. A complex of ideas, believes and teachings, based on scientific ways of thinking like logical analysis and scientific methodology of evidences and proofs - which teaches that there is a strong connection between scientific and a theological idea of God.

[Yosemitest]

Hey, let's send Barack Obama to Mars in that thing.

I'm sure NASA will be glad to help, since Obama's helped them with their missions.

[Yosemitest]

EMP is my bet.
I've done several tours at Osan and Kunsan, and "Black Cats" have a problem of their tails falling off during launch.
I've seen more than one pallet of "Black Cat" Kitty Litter.

EMP or after reentry, biological agents would definitely be my bet, special delivery to our Muzzl'em co-farts.

[Chainmail]

Is their an aerodynamic engineer in the house?

1. The vehicle in the e-bay ad is a more-or-less ground effect machine that probably doesn't work: the construction appears to be pretty good and those wing fences are their to control the flow of air over the wings but it is likely to be unstable in the roll axis anyway, if it has enough power to get off the ground at all. And no, it doesn't have a TBF canopy..

2. The "Air Force Saucer" in the photos has no powerplants and no visible control surfaces. Attractive but would not work, Keemo Sabe.

[Yosemitest]

The Church of Scientific Theology, yeah, I remember some young airmen that got screwed up with some of their celebrities and their teachings against marriage and eating meats.
They're sorta' messed up on drugs in that "Church".

[devolve]

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Now that we see them......

are they now IFAs?

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[Cheapskate]

That’s an Sabre isn’t it?

[Yosemitest]

I'm not an "aerodynamic engineer" but I've taken both aircraft aerodynamics, and aircraft performance courses, and have a B.S. in Aerodynamics, but my major is in Air Traffic Control.

There is some doubt about those flying photos, posted here.
Don't be in too much of a hurry to dismiss it.

[Yosemitest]

The F-86 is a good aircraft of its day.
I was in the tower at Kunsan the day a SOF Major of the USAF got his "Check Ride," a High Speed Taxi from a ROK SOF.
After his High-Speed taxi was over, the ROK SOF stepped off the wing of the F-86 and the Major did a 180 and took off.
He landed about 55 minutes later and had a smile on his face that lasted over two weeks.

Check out The McConnell Story (1963).
You will enjoy Joseph C. McConnell and Beautious Butch.

[Yosemitest]

I think only one of the flew and the other was a hanger queen.

[Yosemitest]

I think only one of them flew and the other was a hanger queen.

[Yosemitest]

CORRECTION: LINK CORRECTED.

"There is some doubt about those flying photos, posted here."

[panaxanax]

“We called them the “Habu” at the base, locally.”

I’ll bet there are few here that know the origin of that moniker.

Ever run into a real Habu while at Okinawa? Fast, aggressive and deadly.

[Tainan]

Habu.org

[ctdonath2]

UFO in Outer Banks NC

[Chainmail]

See? You proved my point...This stuff is all just the fabrication of people with excellent imaginations and above-average photoshop skills. The only real "saucers" were the AVRO saucer which was unstable and underpowered and the Grumann XF5U "Flying Flapjack" which never got past the taxiing stage.

The payoff with the alleged USAF "Saucer" is the outlandishly oversized fin and the lack of any evidence of power sources (Vanna, can you give me an intake?)...and I love those ridiculous multiwheel landing gear! Imagine the fun of designing those things to retract efficiently into that thin section wing..

[JimRed]

Okay, you name that aircraft. Identify it, if you can.

F-86 Sabre.

[Gaffer]

Yes, I have actually. There used to be fights between Habu and Mongoose.

[panaxanax]

I spent 3 years on the island in the mid-60’s and I also saw the Habu vs. Mongoose battle it out. Poor Habu always lost.

One year at the Kadena Carnival the old Okinawan guy that was running the match got bitten and died right before our very eyes. Needless to say, my days of exploring the local caves came to an abrupt halt.

Thanks for the memories.

[Windflier]

“We called them the “Habu” at the base, locally.”

I’ll bet there are few here that know the origin of that moniker.

I do. I was a pre-teen Army brat in the mid-sixties, and lived just south of Kadena for some years. I once caught a baby Habu and tried to pickle it in rubbing alcohol. You wouldn't believe the stink when I opened that jar a year later .. LOL

[Windflier]

Sounds like you and I were on Okinawa in the same time period. We were there from late ‘63 to late ‘66. I used to love watching the Habu versus mongoose cage matches. Never saw a handler get bit, though. That must have been horrifying.

I spent a lot of time exploring caves myself. Did you ever get into that limestone cave the Army tried to seal up (again and again)? I’m trying to remember the name of the area where it was located, but sheesh, that was 46 years ago.

I still have great memories of the place. Didn’t want to leave when we were called back stateside.

[Gaffer]

I was there as a brat also at Kadena 59-62, I just sent an email to Panamax re: my extensive forays in the boonies exploring creeks, gullies, caves, revetments, etc. I was later stationed there as a buck sergeant in 69-71 but my exploring was confined mostly to the Koza strip outside gate 2 ;)

[Windflier]

Well, pleased to meet you, fellow Oki.

My younger brother had the same experience as you did. He returned to Okinawa after joining the Marine Corps. I think he spent about two years there. He hated the place the second time around.

Me, I’ve got nothing but great childhood memories. Like you, I spent a lot of time exploring the caves, jungles, gorges, beaches, etc. It was a fantastic playground for a young boy.

[Yosemitest]

The one for sale is NOT an F=86 Sabre.

[panaxanax]

I didn’t want to leave either. The best times a kid could ever dream of could be had on Okinawa. We also lived south of Kadena near the beach. Our “house” was nothing more than a flat-top concrete box with shudders that covered the windows during the Typhoons.

I would move back there in a minute and live as a native, but far too many grandkids and family here to relocate.

I think the cave you are thinking of was called Gokosenna or something like that? Like you said, it been a long time. I never got into that one. Guess it was huge and went on for miles underground.

We’d see the Habu when exploring and they weren’t afraid to chase you. You’re lucky you didn’t get bitten.

Thanks for allowing me to re-live the best part of my youth.