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Vanity - Handloaded ammunition for self defense?

Posted on 07/27/2012 8:39:45 AM PDT by stuartcr

Is there really an issue with using handloaded ammunition for self defense?


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To: Gaffer

I think it’s a standard legal thing. The range that I use, won’t allow handloads with anything rented from them.


21 posted on 07/27/2012 9:17:02 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: paratrooper82

Have you ever looked at how many reloading websites there are?


22 posted on 07/27/2012 9:18:53 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: stuartcr

Hornady Critical Defense .38 Spl. standard pressure with 110gr. bullet that has a polymer tip. The tip ensures that the HP won’t get clogged with debris and forces expansion when it encounters soft tissue. Its what I carry in my S&W Airweight and it is very controllable.


23 posted on 07/27/2012 9:20:11 AM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: I see my hands

I have no idea what that meant.


24 posted on 07/27/2012 9:20:20 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: stuartcr

Yes it seems to be. But I also think it is like a universal informal rule of thumb. Get a good Corbon round for your wife’s Charter Arms. It is high-powered enough and has excellent ballistic performance.


25 posted on 07/27/2012 9:24:39 AM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: MtBaldy

I’ve been reloading for about 30 yrs now, and have never had a squib or double-load.

I’m still trying to find something official, even court results about this issue.


26 posted on 07/27/2012 9:24:55 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: MtBaldy

“Even being as careful as possible there was still variation between rounds. There were also the inevitable double charge and squib (no charge) loads.”

Use the caliper on every component at every stage, follow the specs. to the letter, pay attention, be picky and stay away from the booze while reloading. :)

(Experience is the best teacher)


27 posted on 07/27/2012 9:27:18 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ("We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." - Franklin)
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To: 43north

I’ll give it a try, thanks. I’ve never loaded anything with a bullet that light, I’m pretty much a 158grlswc shooter in my 4” Rossi.


28 posted on 07/27/2012 9:30:03 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: DarthVader

Store bought is probably the best way to go, as I don’t let other people shoot my reloads.


29 posted on 07/27/2012 9:33:08 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: stuartcr

If you buy reloads, there is a significant reliability issue. Reloads I’ve bought at gun shows jam my revolver about 1 time out of 50, although I now know to check all reloads for primers that stick out.

If you reload your own, then you should know how well it functions. A good home reloader can make ammo just as reliable as the manufacturer.

The only legal liability would be if you hotloaded something and the gun blew up and injured someone. For self defense, it is assumed that you are willing to kill someone when you shoot them. I don’t care if it is a 22 LR - if you shoot someone, you accept responsibility for killing them.

Does it show you are some wild eyed killer? Nope.

If I took up reloading, it would be so I could load 44 specials at 44 special +P type levels for shooting in my 44 magnum. I find a 240 grain bullet at 1400+ fps uncomfortable to shoot and excessive for anything I care about. The same bullet at 1000 fps is about right. Standard 44 special would put the same bullet at about 800 fps.

So what would the prosecutor argue? That a 240 grain bullet doing 950-1000 fps makes me a wacko, while factory ammo at 1400-1500 would not?

In addition, I’ve seen challenges issued to see if anyone can cite a case ever where handloading was used to attack the defendant in a self-defense case. I’ve yet to see anyone come up with a case.

If you shoot someone in self-defense, you accept the idea that killing them was justified. So it is up to the prosecution to show killing them was NOT self defense, and prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

OTOH, if you fire because ‘you just wanted to wound them’, then you are in a HEAP of powerful doo-doo!


30 posted on 07/27/2012 9:35:03 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberalism: "Ex faslo quodlibet" - from falseness, anything follows)
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To: stuartcr
I can’t seem to find anything officially written about it.

Make sure your search terms include "Massad Ayoob" - he has written on the subject multiple times. IIRC, he and other gun rag writers opining on the subject have said if you want a solid point for your defense is to find out what a local police force uses/approves and make your selection from that.

31 posted on 07/27/2012 9:37:27 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: stuartcr

That load will be a pussycat in your Rossi. They also make a +P load.

The Critical Defense loads were engineered to penetrate a variety of barriers (glass, sheetrock, clothing, etc.), then penetrate at least 12” in ballistic gelatin, and fully expand. It is the most technically advanced ammo available.


32 posted on 07/27/2012 9:38:53 AM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Mr Rogers

I haven’t seen anything other than web postings on this either.


33 posted on 07/27/2012 9:40:26 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: stuartcr

Sorry. If I had read all the posts before hitting reply, my answer would be more specific for your background.

Hate it when that happens...no offense.


34 posted on 07/27/2012 9:42:37 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberalism: "Ex faslo quodlibet" - from falseness, anything follows)
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To: T-Bird45

I’m thinking that a police load would be too much for my wife. That could affect her choice about carrying it.


35 posted on 07/27/2012 9:43:13 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: 43north

I’m looking for something for my wife. I just got her a Charter Arms On-duty. Only weighs 13-15oz unloaded.


36 posted on 07/27/2012 9:45:14 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: riverrunner

I have never been able to find any case where it was an issue. One gun writer wanna-be-lawyer Massad Ayoob, started the whole mess. He was pretty widely read at the time and the rumor spread like wildfire. And I believe he said MIGHT could be used against someone.
Here in Texas,anyway, ALL killings go before a grand jury. whether police or civilian. if no indictment is returned, that is the end of it. there won’t be any civil suit either.


37 posted on 07/27/2012 9:45:31 AM PDT by Quickgun (Second Amendment. The only one you can put your hands on.)
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To: stuartcr

The way I figure it, if the DA has to argue your handloads made the gun too deadly, then he OBVIOUSLY has no case whatsoever!

Unless, of course, he is a TV DA and his accusation (unanswered by YOUR attorney) leads you to break down on the stand and confess you had been planning to murder the victim for years...

Guess I’ve seen too many Perry Masons & Matlocks!


38 posted on 07/27/2012 9:45:54 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberalism: "Ex faslo quodlibet" - from falseness, anything follows)
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To: Mr Rogers

No prob


39 posted on 07/27/2012 9:46:18 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: stuartcr

No matter what you load, if it ever goes to trail, the perp’s barrister is going to say “factory ammo is just not deadly enough so he had to load up super deadly blah blah”

Ask your local police what they use and do likewise. That negates any ammo related vulnerability because they surely must know the proper ammo to use...


40 posted on 07/27/2012 9:51:29 AM PDT by Clay Moore (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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