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My meeting with the Death Panel.
vanity | 04/01/2012 | chuckles

Posted on 04/01/2012 2:01:06 AM PDT by chuckles

Well, I've seen Sarah Palin's "Death Panel" up close.

I started not to write anything about it, but when Cheney got his new heart and the hullabaloo followed, I felt I needed to point out a few things.

My mom had a bad stroke January 29 and was left paralyzed on her left side. She also had trouble swallowing and was given a nasal feeding tube until she could be tested and worked with by a rehab team. Her medical history was she was a 3 time cancer survivor and was on coumadin for a clot in her left leg. Her first bout with cancer was colon cancer and she had 18 inches removed and a radiation follow up. Well, the radiation gave her some bouts of diarrhea and loss of some control. The second cancer, about 7 years later, was a spot on her kidney that was removed lapriscopically by freezing. The third cancer was large cell lymphoma where the colon and small bowel connect. That was removed surgically with chemo afterwards. At the time of the stroke, she was cancer free for 2 years and was living well on her own. She liked to travel, go to the "Opry" and went to Casino's in La. to play the slots.

While in ICU, they tried the "clot buster" but to no avail. After she was stabilized she went to a room for about 3 days. I was informed that she would be released to me about 8 hours before they were going to release her. They said she should go to a hospital called an "LTAC". There were 2 in the area and I was told I should pick one and they would make the arrangements for the move. I asked why not just treat her here, and the answer was Medicare says we have to move her. I knew of one of the LTAC hospitals so I picked the one I knew about. She went there for 20 days and was treated for pneumonia because when she had the stroke she was eating breakfast and apparently aspirated something. They gave her massive amounts of very powerful, and I assume expensive, antibiotics. At times she had 4 bags in her IV at once. She was able to speak and was completely "there" mentally. She remembered everything and was able to communicate well. The only problem was the left side paralysis.

I had dreams of getting her in a wheelchair and going on walks with her and trying to make her life as "normal" as possible. The handle on a one armed bandit is on the right side, so I figured she was good to go. Well, the Physician's assistant on her case made a mistake and told us she would be released on a Monday when we talked with her on Friday. I asked why because she still needed some of the rehab we were promised, and she still was running some fever. Her answer was the same as the hospital,....Medicare only pays for 20-21 days in LTAC. The next move would be home to my house( she was still paralyzed and couldn't live alone) or to a "rehab facility", commonly known as a nursing home. The PA said she still needed skilled nursing care, so unless I wanted to learn how to give her injections, change her diapers, feed her with a blender through her Peg tube, she suggested the skilled nursing facility. True to form, the administrator called Monday morning saying my mom was to be released today, what do you want to do? I asked why can't she get rehab here and it was made quite clear, Medicare won't pay. All this time I was promised some sort of rehab, they had done NOTHING. They got their Medicare money and kicked the can down the road. I had visions of a team of doctors like you see in "House" or Grey's "Anatomy" all working as a team to help my mother, but there was none of that.

I chose the nursing home near my home( I was able to visit a few because the PA made the error of giving me a weekend warning to check some out), so I could visit every day and make sure they were helping her. I got the speal from the head nurse and was shown the rehab room and told of great things they have achieved with their stroke patients. The last sentence of her speal included the "good news" that my mom would qualify for up to 100 days of Medicare payments because of her feeding tube. Then of course, it's Medicaid time. My mom had no real money and her house was on a reverse mortgage. Her private money would be exhausted in about a month.

To make a long story a little shorter, she had an infection and died 8 days into her stay at the "skilled" nursing facility.

Now what, you might ask, does this have to do with Dick Cheney and a heart transplant? You see the vitriol in the media about how he should have died and let a more deserving patient have the heart. He was 71, my mom was 80. IMHO, from the very first moment she entered ICU after the stroke, I was pressed about a DNR, how far do you want us to go,...that type of thing. I said I didn't want her on a ventilator, but I also wanted someone to help her if she was choking on the massive amount of mucus that she coughed up daily. I and My wife spent hours sucking it out after she would get it up from her lungs with the little suction "thingy". I wondered if a nurse checked her in the middle of the night, but of course I knew they only checked about every 4 or so hours, if that much. I spent 6-8 hours a day there and usually had to call them to help her for whatever she needed. When I came one morning, around 11am, she was panting like a dog and sweating profusely. I asked what was wrong with her? They said she had a big morning because they took her to the TV room and rehab had worked with her already that morning. I said she isn't responsive and there is something wrong! They asked well, what do you want? I said call an ambulance. The hospital was about 100 yards from the nursing home so I beat the ambulance across the parking lot to the ER. The ER nurse took her blood and she said she had a massive infection and her "numbers" were all screwed up. She had about twice the coumadin level she should have, her potassium was way off, she was dehydrated, and on and on. They gave her 1 bag of antibiotics and some saline with a vitamin K shot for the coumadin. After about an hour, they moved her to a room. I stayed with her all night. She had her blood drawn again in about 3-4 hours and the "numbers" were still "messed up". NO DOCTOR ever looked in on her and nurses visited 3 times including the blood drawing. She passed at 9:20am about 10 minutes after her "doctor" walked in the room.

Now the connection to Dick Cheney is, my mom was 80, a 3 time cancer survivor, paralyzed on one side with bouts of diarrhea. They pretty much decided she wasn't worth fixing. They didn't care. They didn't even try. They didn't know her. They didn't know her spirit. She was a fighter,....a survivor,....but they didn't want her to survive. This is the same thing they did with Terri Shiavo. They took away her personhood and made her government property. Medicare had it's guidelines and if you don't survive according to their payment schedule, you are going to be killed. The same people that thought Cheney had a long life at 71 and didn't really need to live any longer are deciding who lives and dies, and Cheney had his own money, so he lived, to their horror.

I know I have opened myself up here for the comments like She was 80 after all and probably would die of cancer, or you are blinded to the facts because she was your mother, or she really wouldn't want to live paralyzed like that. We talked about that and she said she wanted to live and would work hard to get the best result she could get. She always looked at the brighter side of adversity. But I was blinded by the sheer numbness of the medical system that they would pick who they would work hard for, and who gets thrown in the trash heap.

I'm sure there will be some that tell me if I'm not happy, I should sue, but that won't get my mother back, and I doubt that would change the system even if I win an award.

My purpose for writting is to point out, we already have Obama Care. It's been here for awhile now. If you go to an ER and roll snake eyes, you will be executed. They will leave you on a gurney to bleed out or choke on your own vomit because they don't like something about you. God help you if you are old, disabled, mentally impaired, or just ugly if you get the wrong nurse or doctor that has just had their Botox injections. If they think you have lived long enough, you are toast. Surviving cancer 3 times is just too much time and money for an 80 year old widow to be given any more attention. Maybe they saw she had voted Republican in the last election. Maybe they knew she had a shotgun in her closet. Who knows what dastardly deed gets you on the wrong side of the Death Panel. If you have some image of a gaggle of doctors and nurses gathered around you to do their best to save you, you have been watching too much TV.


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1 posted on 04/01/2012 2:01:13 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles

Not sure if you are a praying person or not, but I try. If you don’t mind I’ll say a prayer for you and your wife. A sad story, that I imagine gets told every day. Obviously no one (usually) cares for our loved ones like we do, but it is terrible when it seems to overwhelmingly come down to the money. Whether it is our older folks and their health, or our kids and their schooling.

Especially hard to see a “fighter” go down. Again - my prayers for you and yours.


2 posted on 04/01/2012 2:29:26 AM PDT by 21twelve
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To: chuckles
>"you have been watching too much TV."

They are the 99%.

3 posted on 04/01/2012 2:43:39 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (3 little children murdered by islam, Toulouse March 2012 . Time for the Final Crusade!!!!!)
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To: chuckles

Our prayers will go out to you and your wife.


4 posted on 04/01/2012 2:44:26 AM PDT by Seabeejas (h)
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To: chuckles
"My purpose for writing is to point out, we already have Obama Care. It's been here for awhile now. If you go to an ER and roll snake eyes, you will be executed.

Chuckles,

Thank you for posting your painful story. It may be too painful for some to look at. Many may think this is not happening. It is. And daily.

The same thing happened to my father. I could not believe how fast they wanted to kill him. He went in to the hospital with a stroke that robbed him of the ability to speak. He could not speak for himself so they heavily sedated him. They then told me he was not responsive and would be put on only a saline drip and not fed.

My elderly mother had Power of Attorney so the doctors worked on her to let him pass on. I got ahold of the doctor and found out what drugs they were giving him. One drug was to dry him out so relatives would not hear the death rattle in his throat.

Because I did not have POA the doctor had little patience for me. I confronted him that he was starving my Dad to death in a slow, painful way to die. The doctor told me that as death approaches the body produces natural narcotics to dull the pain. If that were so why were they pumping him full of narcotics to immobilize him.

These death doctors work on the families to get the OK to starve a stoke victim to death. They are slick, lying and totally bloodless. They lie about what they are doing and lie to the family. They know who has POA and ignore the rest of the family members.

I asked the doctor why my Dad was not receiving treatment or therapy for his stoke. It was treatable. The doctor told me that my father was not a candidate for therapy. I asked why. I have a public safety background and know about protocols used in admitting patients. I was able to extract from him that there is a list of factors that need to be met in order for a patient to qualify for therapy. I asked if age was one of the factors. Reluctantly the doctor admitted to me it was. So if you are elderly and cannot speak you will be sedated and starved to death.

Chuckles, I am sorry for the loss of your mother. I know your grief and anger at how she was treated. I have faced it myself.

Be warned. A hospital is a very dangerous place to be if you are elderly or in some way incapacitated. If you do not have a strong, knowledgeable and determined advocate at your side you may well meet the same fate as my father and Chuckles' mother.

5 posted on 04/01/2012 2:56:30 AM PDT by Solar Wind
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To: chuckles
she wanted to live and would work hard to get the best result she could get.

This got to me. They look at age and not the spirit of the person. My MIL had that same spirit. I'm so sorry. It's a warning for all of us, as it could be any one of us since this obamacare has already been implemented.

6 posted on 04/01/2012 2:57:47 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: chuckles

I’m so sorry; my prayers to you and your wife for your loss. May she RIP with God.


7 posted on 04/01/2012 3:07:16 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'll "vote for an orange juice can", over Barry 0bummer and another 4yrs of his Regime From Hell!)
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To: chuckles

My God, what a story. Thank you for sharing this painful tragedy.

My mother died in 92 and the care was better then, that is only twenty years ago!

I am sorry you had to go through this. You have honored your mother by sharing this. Please know that your story also shares what a wonderful child you were to your mother. The love you had for her comes through in your sad tale,I am sure she was aware of your love for her.

May you find some peace and comfort. Its not easy, but you did everything you could for her. Hopefully with more stories shared like this, the senior voters will start waking up.


8 posted on 04/01/2012 3:30:39 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (NEWT in 2012)
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To: presently no screen name

Now all of us here who have read these cases know when Obama says his Obamacare is going to cut costs he is actually telling the Truth,its not exactly a Secret,Its called the “Complete Lives System” The Brain Child of the Doctor Ezekiel Emmanuel who Chairs Obamas Comparative effectiveness Research Panel That was Funded with 1 Billion Dollars from Obamas Stimulus Bill.Google Complete Lives System, it is all Spelled out in Black and White.


9 posted on 04/01/2012 4:17:41 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: chuckles

Bump


10 posted on 04/01/2012 4:22:14 AM PDT by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: chuckles
Well all "Baby Boomers" beware.The war against our generation has begun and it is going to escalate as we age further.

The received wisdom of those behind us that there are too many of us, we use too much of available resources, and things would be very much better if we disappear.

I there is any way to avoid a hospital stay, take it.

11 posted on 04/01/2012 4:26:26 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: chuckles

Medicare has always had death panels. It is government medicine.

Try to find a good doctor who takes Medicare patients... impossible.

That’s the future of O-Care.


12 posted on 04/01/2012 4:39:13 AM PDT by Reagan69 (I supported Sarah Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD !)
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To: chuckles

Medicare has always had death panels. It is government medicine.

Try to find a good doctor who takes Medicare patients... impossible.

That’s the future of O-Care.


13 posted on 04/01/2012 4:39:29 AM PDT by Reagan69 (I supported Sarah Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD !)
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To: chuckles
We all have our expiration date in this life. I lost Dad to a heart attack and Mother to Alzheimers’. I was facing the prospect of her eventually becoming unable to swallow, and what that would mean - but then suddenly, she was gone.

I just don’t have an answer for when unlimited resources will do limited good. My only answer is to try to be more concerned about posterity than I am with dedicating my savings to my own inherently limited preservation. I do have some savings, but we all know that without insurance it takes serious wealth to be able to finance all the health care that will be helpful.

So what is my beef with ObamaCare? Simply that the government is horning into what should be private arrangements. Obama wants to make “blue pill” decisions for my wife and for me, but he doesn’t even know or care what time zone I’m in or what good I might be doing - or even what “good” really means (as a general rule I’m pretty sure that killing babies doesn’t qualify). ObamaCare intends to lead to “single payer” which is Newspeak for government control eliminating private choice. And as has been noted, we are pretty far along that path already with Medicare and Medicaid.

But the crucial point is that in America socialism is called “progressive” but it is no such thing. The Constitution has something to say about progress, and it doesn’t have anything to do with the metastasis of government. What it does say (Article 1 Section 8) is that

“The Congress shall have power . . . To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries . . . "
To focus the government on “blue pill” decisions is to focus not on progress but precisely on the status quo, taking the absence of progress for granted. “The progress of science and useful arts” over the past century has been such that an American secretary today would be ill-served to trade circumstances with Queen Victoria. Queen Victoria didn’t have access to airliners or efficient automobiles, or anything made of plastic or much of anything in the way of electrical appliances which we all miss so much when the power goes down. She lived to be 80, but her husband died much younger and she was a depressed widow for a long time.

All socialism does is share scarcity, not abundance. ObamaCare inevitably would help some people in the short run, but its main effect would be to stifle innovation in the long run. Increased government is not innovation; the Soviets had that for 70 years, and it did nothing for progress. SOCIALISM IS ABOUT POLITICIANS ARROGATING TO THEMSELVES THE CREDIT FOR WHAT OTHER PEOPLE DO.


14 posted on 04/01/2012 4:46:30 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: chuckles
FRiend, you have my prayers for you, your family, and your mom's soul as well.

By your account, she was not the only fighter in the family.

15 posted on 04/01/2012 5:03:38 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: chuckles

Prayers up!


16 posted on 04/01/2012 5:28:45 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: chuckles

One issue which I am hearing about is that after 65 you have to use Medicare, all private insurance stops.

Now you may be able to pay, but you still have to use/apply for Medicare.

This is the GVT taking care of you.


17 posted on 04/01/2012 5:29:13 AM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?
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To: chuckles

My wife’s uncle died in a nursing home of a leg infection that they would not treat. He was 80 also. He was a retired postman and still had some financial resources but it did not matter. He did not have political resources.


18 posted on 04/01/2012 5:31:24 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Jimmy Valentine

I an 65 and healthy. I expect that I will not die untreated like that but I do expect that my end will come at the hands of the US Internal troops i.e. TSA and its derivatives or the ICE army. Many of us will. We are way past the tipping point. The total Utopian State is coming to us. I keep thinking it won’t be long until I wonder why I didn’t get out while I still could. But then, when the USA becomes violently totalitarian, and I do believe that is coming soon, where is there to go? The rest of the world will quickly be divided between China/Russia and the Kaliphate.


19 posted on 04/01/2012 5:38:23 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Reagan69
Medicare has always had death panels. It is government medicine.

Of course, and there will only be more and more rationing of Medicare, regardless of whether conservatives or liberals are in power. The demographics are simply relentless.

The only difference is between those who still pretend that we won't have to ration Medicare spending (most politicians are of course in this category) and those who are candid enough to admit it.

And as long as people have the right to buy what Medicare doesn't cover with their own money, I'm OK with that.

20 posted on 04/01/2012 5:42:52 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Mi tio esta enfermo, pero la carretera es verde!)
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