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Is There Any Other Republican Candidate Who Can Cut Government Spending, Deeper than Ron Paul?

Posted on 01/02/2012 7:22:11 AM PST by pinochet

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To: Keith in Iowa

“Ron Paul is NOT the savior”

I never said that he was. I just think that he’s the least bad amongst the rotten choices we have. This election cycle ended for the worse for most of us the day Sarah Palin elected not to run.

“... He’s a curse to the process.”

Perhaps, but this is the same process that gave us John McCain and John Boeher and is about to give us mittens. And this is a process we want to defend?


41 posted on 01/02/2012 7:59:40 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (The gop is as much a plantation for conservatives as the 'rat party is for blacks.)
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To: Keith in Iowa
Ron Paul is NOT the savior . . .

Good Lord. I hope that is not your expectation of the Office. Actually, I know better.

42 posted on 01/02/2012 7:59:51 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew (let establishment heads explode)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

You mean we’ll all be dead instead of accepting dhimmitude? Count me in.


43 posted on 01/02/2012 8:00:57 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: RKBA Democrat
There are a lot of “conservative BUTs” out there. They’re conservative BUT for their own pet spending priorities.

It sounds like you are talking about the earmark king. He talks about cutting spending, but acquires more pork for Galveston than anyone else running.
44 posted on 01/02/2012 8:01:10 AM PST by John D
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Let’s hope that kind of fiscal conservatism rubs off on all the candidates. It seems a good many are willing to downsize or eliminate at least some of the bureaucracies.

If they're just doing it because the bureaucracies and thier regulations are unpopular, then it's just a band-aid.

The bureaucracies have been packed with liberal idealogues, and the federal bureaucracy is one one of the Democratic Party's most powerful and influential special interest groups. The can and will find ways to frustrate any attempt at reform during a conservative administration, and be ready to start right back up again with new regulations as soon as a liberal administration comes back into power. As far as eliminating them goes, as long as the USSC continues to let Congress abuse the Commerce Clause and create bureaucracies to regulate anything the can "find" to have a"substantial effect on interstate commerce", they'll get "eliminated" the same way ACORN was. The same people will show up somewhere else, doing the same thing under a different name.

It will only stop when States force the federal government back into compliance with the original intent of the enumerated powers they were legitimately granted.

45 posted on 01/02/2012 8:02:21 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: RKBA Democrat; 50mm; TheOldLady; ejonesie22; darkwing104; Jim Robinson

we have at least a 2fer over here, you may want to warm up the machine to Sporkweasel.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2827688/posts?page=41#41


46 posted on 01/02/2012 8:03:31 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: pinochet

His other baggage is not worth the cuts he can’t bring about anyway.


47 posted on 01/02/2012 8:03:50 AM PST by umgud
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To: pinochet

Ron Paul’s fiscal ideas are desperately needed now. His foreign policy is troublesome. If a GOP candidate would run on Paul’s position regarding the Federal Reserve, Congressional Spending, and Welfare, they would be a hero - in my eyes. None of the other candidates has the gall to do so - certainly not the establishment RINOS.

However, is that enough to set aside his other views and support him? I wont say one way or the other - I know my views and I will keep them as such, I’ll say he is not my first choice, currently. I do know, without a doubt, that if we dont get our domestic fiscal house in order, we wont have to worry about our foreign policy for very long at all - we are screwed fiscally and the goliath welfare state is growing exponentially.

I would vote for a Goldwater or Reagan and smile as I did so, but we don’t have men of such cloth running currently. What is the trade-off?

I am a business owner who has gone through hell and back to keep my doors open, but I have to be honest: this year scares the hell out of me and I have begun contingency planning to sell some capital assets and business segments. I have funnelled nearly $3m to keep my employees working over the past three years, but don’t think I will be able to operate in this manner for much longer.


48 posted on 01/02/2012 8:04:35 AM PST by RobertClark ("Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: RKBA Democrat
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49 posted on 01/02/2012 8:05:25 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: ejonesie22

Well said. This thread is worthless.


50 posted on 01/02/2012 8:05:49 AM PST by upchuck (Let's have the Revolution NOW before we get dumbed down to the point that we can't.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

You went from Palin to Paul?? WTH?


51 posted on 01/02/2012 8:07:06 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: pinochet
Congress already considers him to be an ignorable kook in his current office. What makes him think he can accomplish any of his agenda when he has to govern against a hostile legislature?

I suppose a president could refuse to spend money that was appropriated. A president with Paul's fiscal ambitions would be impeached and out of office before his second year was far gone.

52 posted on 01/02/2012 8:08:10 AM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative (Never mind.)
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To: ncalburt
He has picked up steam on the pork in his last few years . . .

This year he has a 98% favorable rating from Citizens Against Government Waste. The gist of Ron Paul's tenure as a congressman points to smaller government all around. Like defense, transportation and energy funding are legitimate taxpayer interests. One can legitimately question to what extent we need to lessen our footprint in foreign lands - if at all - but for the past several decades we've created a juggernaut that is out of control in generating infringements to individual freedom and prosperity.

I have no problem keeping Ron Paul open as an option to lessen federal power, but will happily consider the candidates you've listed previously, and your list seems accurate to me in terms of which candidate represents the greater likelihood of reducing that power.

53 posted on 01/02/2012 8:09:02 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew (let establishment heads explode)
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To: pgkdan
Well I guess if Paul is President then he won't be able to sneak his billions and billions of dollars in earmarks into every piece of legislation that is a cinch to pass while he votes against it.

First off, let's correctly understand how earmarks work: They DO NOT raise the appropriations total, they allocate how some of it is spent before the remainder is funnelled into other agencies. Hell, we haven't had a budget in two years, why should they matter anyway at this point?

I agree with Paul, on earmarks. There should not be a goliath thousand page appropration bill which no one reads or understands. Every penny allocated for one district or another should be earmarked and justified by the requesting party - openly and transparently. Paul thinks all spending should be earmarks - so does my bank - but let's be honest with what that position means. Paul has never voted in favor of any appropriations bill, to call him the king of pork is blatently false or at least a clear mis-understanding of his position on the issue.

54 posted on 01/02/2012 8:14:39 AM PST by RobertClark ("Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: pinochet
I don't trust Ron Paul, especially not after the revalations of Mr. Dondero.

p.s. While I think I dislike your opinions, I really dig your screen name. I always thought he was a superior if midunderstood leader.

55 posted on 01/02/2012 8:14:46 AM PST by Stepan12
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To: reaganaut

3fer...


56 posted on 01/02/2012 8:15:37 AM PST by Bikkuri
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To: reaganaut

I count 3....


57 posted on 01/02/2012 8:15:56 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22; Bikkuri

Wow, 20 seconds apart guys. I was waiting for a response about the sarc tag. But yeah, baring user error, there are 3


58 posted on 01/02/2012 8:18:02 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Bikkuri

Yup, same here. Gone from needing an exterminator to an air strike...


59 posted on 01/02/2012 8:21:31 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: reaganaut; ejonesie22

We’re on the ball ;)

AND, possibly a 4th jumped in :/
Must be the scewed polls that is giving them gravitas to say something now..


60 posted on 01/02/2012 8:22:22 AM PST by Bikkuri
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