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Just trying to stay out of prison.
1 posted on 12/26/2011 4:55:49 PM PST by Libloather
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The real kicker is that the companies can’t turn anyone down and there are great restrictions on how much they can vary prices for different factors. This will result in people who need coverage the most buying it and dropping it and paying the lesser penalty when they don’t. Rates for healthy people will skyrocket.


2 posted on 12/26/2011 5:00:36 PM PST by hometoroost (Frodo lives!)
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“If you have to ask how much it costs, you can't afford it” - J. Pierpont Morgan
3 posted on 12/26/2011 5:05:55 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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black markets, on which healthcare will have to be acquired, are notoriously opaque.


5 posted on 12/26/2011 5:07:17 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (Ignorance is no excuse.)
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You can’t afford it if you have to ask.


6 posted on 12/26/2011 5:08:43 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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I’m starting to believe it’s all a big scam........health care was never the objective, the money that has been spent so far has no trail,no accountability
Dumbo and his buddies like Soros, have fleeced America...this so-called “billion dollar” campaign that he’s running will all go to waste (in someone’s pocket). He’ll shrug his shoulders and walk off into the sunset with billions.
SCOTUS will judge it unconstitutional, Rino’s will try to keep some of it and no one will be accountable.


7 posted on 12/26/2011 5:11:15 PM PST by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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At the moment, the prices are, or will be market based. The simple formula is that the companies may only keep 15 cents out of every dollar.- However, all the unfunded mandates forced on the companies will increase your rates every year. Since its inception, the rates have increased in California at a minimum of 20%.

The simple way to figure your rates is to take the current premium you are paying and add 20% to it every year until 2014. Then the premiums should effective go through the roof, meaning that they will probably double within 3 to 4 years or less.

That is probably a safe guess. Eventually your insurance company will cave in and leave the state you are in and the Federal government will create a single payer system much like Canada.

At that point, you will have expensive, crappy, rationed care. You will have to bribe your doctor to get service, and be prepared to bribe emergency techs to even more so they won’t let you die if you get over 70 years old and have a life threatening condition.

It’ll be fun.


8 posted on 12/26/2011 5:16:36 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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” Hussein’s mandatory monthly Obamacare premiums? “

Trick question - Hussein, like Congress, don’t gotta pay no steenkin Obamacare Premiums.....


9 posted on 12/26/2011 5:17:55 PM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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“..Does anyone know ...”

Don’t know the thousands and tens of thousands of rules, regulations, and requirements? = Arbeitsziehungslager.

(The new three R s )


10 posted on 12/26/2011 5:32:11 PM PST by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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Ha. Ha. Like there would be anything like that. Before I retired, I was trying to find out about Cobra and Hippa. Cobras was easy it had a % limit above the cost of the Group plan.

Hippa. All anyone would say was that it was expensive. Finally Mom got so sick I retired to help take care of her. Cobra cost about $500 for self and spouse. When cobra ran out, they notified me 30 days in advance that similar policy under Hippa would be around $3000, which forced me to go through underwriting in order to get something cheaper.

Obama made deals with Insurance companies to get their support before hand. It appears that Insurance companies not only get new customers through the mandate, I so far have not found too much about cost of policies. There are some price breaks for some low income, but haven't found out much else.

11 posted on 12/26/2011 5:33:58 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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Pardon, but I’m not surprised your question goes unanswered. I doubt nobama himself knows. In fact, IMHO, nobody knows. It’s all smoke and mirrors.

The rate will be what ever it needs to be to further take down the country.


12 posted on 12/26/2011 5:40:07 PM PST by upchuck (Let's have the Revolution NOW before we get dumbed down to the point that we can't.)
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I’m self employed and have been rolling the dice with no health insurance whatsoever for the last 5 years. I have no immediate plans to change. I don’t believe obamacare is going to make it out of the supreme court. I don’t believe there will be a compromise. I think it will be struck down entirely.


14 posted on 12/26/2011 6:01:48 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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You vil pay what they tell you to pay.
You vil not complain.
Dat is all.


18 posted on 12/26/2011 6:48:55 PM PST by Lorianne
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Just think how many nights that poor fellow Obama was talking about last week will have to go without heat. $40.00 on taxes would mean 3 nights every payday without heat. Obamacare is going to make for a long hard winter.


19 posted on 12/26/2011 6:52:24 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (The democratic party is the greatest cargo cult in history.)
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$2100 per family source http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml


20 posted on 12/26/2011 7:11:06 PM PST by tunedin
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To: Libloather

no idea, but whatever it is, is more expensive than last week!


21 posted on 12/26/2011 7:13:00 PM PST by television is just wrong
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If I understand recent news reports, no one can tell, because they’ve abandoned the second most obnoxious feature (the first being the mandate) and “as the Secretary [of HHS] shall determine” had been “determined” by Sibelius to be “as the states shall determine” at least in regard to what a “qualifying plan” is, meaning the cost and details of benefits will vary from state to state if the whole thing isn’t killed by the courts or repealed by a GOP Congress and President come Jan. 2013.


22 posted on 12/26/2011 7:47:29 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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I think the best way to estimate what insurance will cost under the "must issue" provisions of Obamacare is to see what policies with similar "must issue" provisions cost now. If you have a business in many states the business small group policy is effectively a "must issue" policy since the insurance company agrees to insure whatever employee you hire.

In New Hampshire a policy like that for a family of four costs around $2300 per month with a $10,000 deductible. I know because I've read the quotes from the insurance companies. Lower deductibles, like the ones required by Obamacare push the cost up even higher.

That level of cost is one more reason why Obamacare is doomed to fail. Few families can afford to pay over $27,000 a year for health insurance, and the rest of us can't afford to subsidize the vast majority of families who can't afford the premiums.

23 posted on 12/26/2011 8:16:12 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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Does anyone know the cost of Hussein's mandatory monthly Obamacare premiums?

The complete destruction of medicine, liberty and the Constitution. Put me in prison. I'm not paying.

26 posted on 12/26/2011 9:24:20 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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I don’t think you will know the cost until sometime late in 2013 after the exchanges are set-up.

Ohio returned a million dollar grant to the federal gov’t regarding setting up their exchanges.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2011/11/30/critics-ohio-dragging-its-feet-on-health-insurance.html


28 posted on 12/27/2011 3:10:52 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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I’ve tried to explain to people how Obamacare sets us up for a huge health train wreck. Obamacare drives private insurers out of the market, but it doesn’t replace them with a full nationalized system. The result is no system at all, with Doctors and Hospitals unfunded.
Kerblooey.


32 posted on 12/27/2011 8:14:19 AM PST by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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