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Need advice: Friend marrying broke Muslim loser [vanity]

Posted on 11/10/2011 9:50:19 AM PST by Feline_AIDS

Short version: What's the tactful way to tell a friend she's marrying a loser, and should I bother?

Long version: A friend of mine, who is nominally a conservative Christian, is engaged to her liberal Muslim boyfriend of two years. At many points along the way, I dropped subtle hints about how unwise it is for a Christian to marry a non-Christian. I'm not sure why she started dating him in the first place, but I have three guesses from observing the relationship from the beginning. 1) He pursued her relentlessly. 2) He's more masculine than most of the other guys in her graduate program. 3) She desperately wants to be married and have kids.

Her family has objected to the relationship since day 1, and I've never been supportive either. I think everyone thought she would realize what a terrible idea he was and ditch him. Unfortunately, she's also pretty depressed and not receiving treatment. The depression started when they started dating.

This guy is the definition of a loser. He's been in a graduate program for the better part of a decade, has yet to even finish the first major milestone in that degree, and the end is nowhere in sight. They both are racking up debt like nobody's business, too. He can and does pontificate on liberal talking points and Islamic apologetics. He has few friends because he is an insufferable loud-talker who must always be right.

She basically broke her father's heart when she started dating this guy, so becoming engaged must have just ripped her old man's heart right out of his chest. I'm pretty sure that once they get married, the Muslim will want to move away from her family, because I can't imagine him hanging around where he's disliked.

He's the kind of Muslim who feels allegiance to Islam over his American citizenship in a political, principled way that has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with "identity." In my mind, he's the kind of guy who would radicalize because of some "injustice" somewhere, try to force his wife to convert, and saw her head off with a dull knife if she protested. The closest I ever came to telling her to run, not walk, away from this guy was when I said I worried he'd turn her into a liberal or Muslim, which she assured me would never be the case.

So how do I tell my friend that she should ditch this guy, go see a therapist or doctor, punch herself in the face for ever entertaining such a stupid idea as marrying this fool, and then for the rest of her life listen to her parents when they disapprove of a big life decision she's making, because they're probably right? I don't think any of her other friends have ever said anything negative or cautionary about this guy.

Pros of saying something:

-Friend might not go through a terrible divorce or

-Friend might not go through a terrible beheading

-Clear conscience

-It's the right thing to do, I think

Cons:

-Will likely worsen her depression

-Will certainly complicate if not ruin our friendship


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: depression; idiots; islam; marriage; muslims
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1 posted on 11/10/2011 9:50:24 AM PST by Feline_AIDS
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To: Feline_AIDS

Find out if he knows how to pilot a plane, but cannot take off or land.


2 posted on 11/10/2011 9:51:51 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2012)
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To: Feline_AIDS

You have to tell her the truth. If she doesn’t listen, too bad.


3 posted on 11/10/2011 9:52:18 AM PST by San Jacinto
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To: Feline_AIDS

Offer her a place to hide when it goes wrong.


4 posted on 11/10/2011 9:52:48 AM PST by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Feline_AIDS

I seriously doubt you can do anything to convince her, some women just seem to court disaster.


5 posted on 11/10/2011 9:52:53 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Feline_AIDS

ya might point out what the Bible says about being unequally yoked. Ya might point out how muslims treat women.

I would say something if it were a friend of mine. The trick is saying it in a loving manner and not getting sucked in to a major argument.

.Either way you will probably lose her as a friend.


6 posted on 11/10/2011 9:54:03 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Feline_AIDS
I'm pretty sure that once they get married, the Muslim will want to move away from her family

We've heard that story before. The burka comes next.

7 posted on 11/10/2011 9:54:30 AM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: Feline_AIDS
Perhaps you can suggest that she watch (or watch with her) the 1991 Sally Field movie Not Without My Daughter.
8 posted on 11/10/2011 9:54:30 AM PST by Maceman (Obama: As American as nasei goreng)
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To: Feline_AIDS

Ask her if she’s prepared to deal with him killing their daughter some years down the road, because she refuses to wear a burqa to some event or other?


9 posted on 11/10/2011 9:55:23 AM PST by NEMDF
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To: Feline_AIDS

1 Thessalonians 5:17

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

17 pray without ceasing;


10 posted on 11/10/2011 9:55:23 AM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: Feline_AIDS

Send her a copy of the Sally Field movie: Not Without My Daughter


11 posted on 11/10/2011 9:56:17 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Let's have a Cain Mutiny!)
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To: Feline_AIDS

—2) He’s more masculine than most of the other guys in her graduate program.—

Yeah, same reason guys go for the “trashy” girls. Usually they don’t marry them, though. Either way, this will affect the rest of her life, and there is little you can do about it.

It is best to learn from the mistakes of others, but in matters of love, often the only way to learn is through your own mistakes.


12 posted on 11/10/2011 9:56:47 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: San Jacinto; Feline_AIDS

I agree with San Jacinto. You do have to tell her the truth. You can’t make her believe it, but when something bad happens to her (and it will), you will regret not having said something.


13 posted on 11/10/2011 9:56:56 AM PST by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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To: Feline_AIDS

Suggest to her that she does not CONVERT, it is not an option.


14 posted on 11/10/2011 9:56:56 AM PST by Fred (no job no house no gas no food no problem Obama 2012)
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To: Feline_AIDS

Have her watch, “Not Without My Daughter.”


15 posted on 11/10/2011 9:57:40 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I think you owe her the truth. But it probably won’t work. If she marries the guy your relationship with her is over anyway.


16 posted on 11/10/2011 9:57:53 AM PST by I Shall Endure
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To: Feline_AIDS

Send her this link along with a hug


17 posted on 11/10/2011 9:58:02 AM PST by Java4Jay
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To: Maceman

GMTA


18 posted on 11/10/2011 9:58:20 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: Feline_AIDS

Patriot Act = GITMO


19 posted on 11/10/2011 9:58:34 AM PST by BlowNegative (The Thing about Silent Warfare - Don't leave footprints)
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To: Feline_AIDS

She is headed for a disaster of epic proportions. I can’t stress enough what a bad decision she is making. It would be one thing if he were just a secular Middle Eastern fella (still not a great choice). But a practicing Muslim - she’s crazy.

Teach her about Islam, FAST. Explain honor killings and beheaded wives, female genital mutilation, the whole nine.

Christians should be equally yoked in marriage, but they should definitely NOT marry Muslims.

You have to be willing to lose her friendship in order to save her. Tell her the 100% unvarnished truth. Treat her like a sick alcoholic.

Still, your friend may just be one of those females that seemingly has an unconscious death wish.


20 posted on 11/10/2011 9:58:40 AM PST by Retired Greyhound (.)
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