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Posted on 11/04/2011 4:45:15 AM PDT by Renfield
Perhaps you meant "spectacular". Maybe the purpose of the spectacular view was so that they could see their enemies approaching. Did the sign say that the only purpose for the view was enjoyment?
“Did the sign say that the only purpose for the view was enjoyment?”
The plaque was roughly 500 words, all written from the standpoint of an idealized Indian existence having nothing to do with warfare or defense. Other plaques around the park were written in the same idyllic, “my what a wonderful non-polluting, sustainable existence these non-Christian peoples who believed in Nature and communed in harmony with Nature” sort of way.
If he wanted gold the Indians told him to go East by SE. If he wanted iron ore (Iron Pyrite) to go SE.
He sent a wagon SE ~ and found iron not far from Laurel, Indiana.
The Spanish meet the Chinese in North America.
The Spaniards in some way marked the highest point in the Easternmost Cordillera to delineate Protestant lands to the East to the Coast and Spanish lands to the West all the way to the Great Ocean.
This would have been done sometime between 1598 and probably the 1640s.
There was a boundary stone set South of there in what is now South Carolina but the surveyors were killed by the Indians after 2 years. There were other more successful ventures in setting stones further North in Virginia and what is now West Virginia.
Remember, until Spain cramed down the 1604 Treaty of London NOBODY BUT SPAIN had rights in North America (outside of a residual Portuguese right in Nefoundland).
When Philippe I/II (former king of England in the time of Mary) died in 1598, his much better wrapped son Philippe II/III took over things and decided Spain had quite enough to do in the Americas and other elements in the Hapsburg Empire needed to be brought in on the act.
He then turned to a life of partying and travel. He was, after all, the richest man in the world and king of the most powerful nation on Earth.
Frankly, you should read about this guy ~ quite impressive.
Kind of a strange event.
‘When you read about the event and try to match this body of Spaniards up against Midwestern or Tennessee Valley sites/events you can see there was a possibility they could have simply gone due West, past the Southernmost point of the Appalachians, and then gone North to the Ohio (then believed to be the upper Mississippi), crossed over and founded some sort of “La Villa Real” in a defensible area in Southern Indiana or Ohio.’
And then there are the Melungeons. There are people in eastern Kentucky who look very Spanish (or more accurately, Portuguese). Somebody from Iberia made it into the southern mountains a long time ago...
They probably arrived as Spanish POWs at St. Elena in the 1500s ~ the Spanish ran a POW camp in South Carolina.
However, and I haven't completed this study, for a good number of towns I suspect of having been small Spanish settlements in the Ohio Valley and East coast I've found many of the "first settlers" had Spanish surnames. As civilization came their way they registered their land holdings and went about their business.
I presume that earlier they sold alcohol to Indians, bought furs, ground cornmeal, and looked for gold.
George: Magellan? You like Magellan?
Jerry: Oh, yeah, my favorite explorer. Around the world, come on. Who do you like?
George: I like de Soto.
Jerry: De Soto? What did he do?
George: Discovered the Mississippi.
Jerry: Oh, like they wouldn’t have found that anyway.
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De Soto ping.
Stolen by the indians probably and traded to the next tribe north for scalps and slaves.
That's bad news. You could turn a whiter shade of pale.
Thanks for the ping. Exactly where De Soto went is still controversial.
This is from wikipedia, and apparently based on a 1997 map.
So what's new?
30 years ago I had a couple of meetings with the state archeologist in Asheville documenting a relic I had found.
He told me that there were confirmed finds of Spanish exploration era relics in the Murphy area which is only a few days walk from Dillsboro.
pretty impressive hike. how long did it take>?
i read recently about a very early white guy who escaped from the Spaniards around late 1500’s in Mexico and walked to Maine. Took a couple years if i remember correctly
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