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'Extraordinary' genetic make-up of north-east Wales men
BBC ^ | 19 July 2011 | BBC

Posted on 07/23/2011 7:26:30 PM PDT by Palter

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To: James C. Bennett; Hawthorn
You’re right - Albanian is missing. I’ve read that it its own, distinct branch.

As is Euskara, I believe.

61 posted on 07/24/2011 8:14:28 PM PDT by annie laurie (All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost)
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To: annie laurie

Basque cannot belong on that tree. It’s non-IE.


62 posted on 07/24/2011 8:24:48 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett

I don’t think that anyone knows exactly WHAT it is (non-IE or otherwise), unless there have been some new research findings that I haven’t heard about, yet :) Since it doesn’t really “belong” anywhere (again, last I heard), and it’s a language of Europe, it came to mind. Just wanted to throw it out there for those interested :)

Another missing language is Afrikaans, which has now evolved far enough from Dutch that it is considered a separate language, rather than just a dialect of Dutch.


63 posted on 07/24/2011 8:33:32 PM PDT by annie laurie (All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost)
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To: martin_fierro

Could you please add me to your list?

Refreshed = E1b1b1


64 posted on 07/24/2011 9:17:13 PM PDT by refreshed
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To: annie laurie

Good point!


65 posted on 07/25/2011 10:12:55 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Palter

The answer is easy: Tin.

Tin, to make bronze, was hard to obtain. Wales and Corwall are sources of tin from ancient times. Traders from the Med came to Wales (and Cornwall) to obtain tin and left their genetic legacy there.


66 posted on 07/25/2011 10:29:02 AM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Sherman Logan; PapaBear3625

There are a few interesting theories being thrown about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_of_India_theory


67 posted on 07/26/2011 2:56:32 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Little Ray; BroJoeK
The answer is easy: Tin..

We have a winner!!! Sorry I was tardy, I was out of town. But Tin is the answer. Tin was very rare in the ancient world and highly sought after. Archaeologist are still searching for the early sources of tin used in the Early and Middle Bronze age because they think that Cornwall and Wales are just to far away. Actually tin is not really used purposely (so we think) until about 2000 BC. Bronze made before that is alloyed with arsenic or the tin is a bi-product of the copper.

Think of this, the article says that the genetics go back to 2000 BC, the start of the pre-palatial Minoan period, and tin is mined at the same time. Interesting that the Minoans or some other people may have went as far as Wales for tin.

68 posted on 07/26/2011 5:22:13 PM PDT by fatez ("If you're going through Hell, keep going." Winston Churchill)
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To: James C. Bennett

Interesting, but nuts.

The entire history of Eurasia (up to the last 500 years or so, when firearms finally gave civilized peoples the ability to effectively defend themselves) has consisted of invasions of the fertile and civilized south, west and east periphery by nomads from the dry and inhospitable center. (The northern periphery was the most inhospitable area of all.)

The Out of India theory envisions people intentionally leaving fertile and comfortable lands to invade dry and inhospitable ones.

Not gonna happen.


69 posted on 07/26/2011 7:45:15 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
"The Out of India theory envisions people intentionally leaving fertile and comfortable lands to invade dry and inhospitable ones."

Australia, Iceland, Siberia...

;^)

70 posted on 07/26/2011 8:14:58 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Polybius; SunkenCiv; blam; All

If this genetic marker is 4,000 years old, then it would have been pre Roman. Was this an area of Wales that could have supplied tin to be alloyed with copper to create the Bronze Age. Perhaps ancient eastern Mediterranean peoples were traveling here by boat to either mine tin, or to trade for tin. An while there, enjoying the local female companionship. They could have had a settlement with extensive mining and commercial activity centered around the importance of the tin trade.


71 posted on 08/02/2011 9:59:49 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: All
They are talking about the Balkan EV13 marker which is very common in Southeast Europe. This marker has been found at significant amounts in certain regions of the UK including the old Roman trading town of Abergele situated on the northeast region of Wales.

"Roman soldiers in BritainSignificant frequencies of E-V13 have also been observed in towns in Wales, England and Scotland. The old trading town of Abergele on the northern coast of Wales in particular showed 7 out of 18 local people tested were in this lineage (approximately 40%), as reported in Weale et al. (2002). Bird (2007) attributes the overall presence of E-V13 in Great Britain, especially in areas of high frequency, to settlement during the 1st through 4th centuries CE by Roman soldiers from the Balkan peninsula. Bird proposes a connection to the modern region encompassing Kosovo, eastern Serbia, northern Republic of Macedonia and northwestern Bulgaria (a region corresponding to the Roman province of Moesia Superior), which was identified by Peričic et al. (2005) as harboring the highest frequency worldwide of this sub-clade.[Note 11]"

72 posted on 10/18/2012 12:20:17 PM PDT by apro
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To: Palter

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73 posted on 10/18/2012 12:21:15 PM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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74 posted on 03/15/2015 5:42:31 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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