Posted on 07/01/2011 8:50:19 AM PDT by taxcontrol
I have a Colt Combat Commander in .45 and have had it for decades. I traded for a Springfield Armory once but traded it for a rifle since I didn’t need it. I don’t have any experience in the Ruger 1911 but am sure its a fine pistol. If I were buying today, I would look at the Springfield XD. It holds 13+1 in .45ACP. I haven’t owned an XD yet, but it just gives me a tingle up the leg ya know. My Commander is tricked out so I probably will hand that one down to my daughter when I go. Besides, if I bring home one more gun, momma’s leavin. She keeps askin “How many do you really need?” I haven’t come up with a solid number yet.
If only we could throw in some pics of Summer Glau as a terminator.
When are you guys going to make a Project Appleseed edition 10/22? PM me if you don’t know what I’m talking about or see my tagline.
I’m removing the bullet from a 7.62x54R round today, to use that single round at eight PM, July 4th, shot straight up into the air. There’s a sort of irony in using a Commie block rifle (Mosin, circa 1942) to signal American We The People Independence from oligarchical tyranny.
Purdy indeed!
I have twin boys who just graduated high school. Mrs. Lando and I bought Stainless Colt 1911 Rail Guns with consecutive serial numbers for them! (I’ll never retire).
Over the course of those years, I witnessed several “accidental” discharges from various custom and factory rifles, from your so-called “experienced” hunters.
I all cases, they were “adjusted triggers” (2-3 # pulls) and they went off while being carried, leaned on trees and laid down over a pack frame quite normally and carefully. The owners bragged about their “smooth and light triggers” but were shocked when they went off. And I also had a policy that they signed in writing that they were not to chamber a round until they were aimed down range and about to take an animal. But these were “safe experienced” hunters who decided they were exempt from any such incident or requirement. Anyone who claims otherwise is a dangerous fool.
Here again, any sport hunter using proper shooting technique, should not be effected by the amount of trigger pull. We are not talking Bench rest here either. There is no excuse or comparison.
Somehow I have gotten Mrs. Lando to understand that I already have more than I need, but not as many as I want.
No, I, and millions of others say it is good - I have literally *never* met a single person who gives Remington the hard ride that you do. Not once in my life, and my life has been spent in a place where there are more guns per capita than anywhere else in the world. I would have a pretty hard time even finding a family who doesn't own (or hasn't owned) a Rem 700 around here. Believe me, if there was a problem with it, it would be more likely to show itself here than any other place, with the possible exception of the military.
They even show a rifle going off with no finger on the trigger, ahh, but that's somebody screwing with something.
OF COURSE it has been screwed with, or it is not clean. *AGAIN*, there has not been a single incident of discharge... *not a single one*, where the action was within it's prescribed parameters and was clean. Neither has there been a single incident where the discharge could be replicated under those very reasonable conditions. IOW, the entire charge is bullsh*t, unless you have modified the action to have a ridiculously light hair trigger; or, you have not cleaned the thing in your entire life.
As a machinist, I guarantee you that ANY engineering can be modified to act differently than designed, and ANY engineered safety can be made to fail by those modifications... To include Ruger's.
The problem with a gun is that one time in 10,000 it goes off may kill someone you love.
Don't be pulling that voodoo bullcrap on me, and wrap it in "It's for the children". This ain't rocket science. It is a mechanical action that I understand. I know it isn't going to "go off" one time in 10,000. I know it isn't going to "go off" AT ALL. It won't because IT CAN'T. I like a fairly light trigger, but not anywhere near that light.
And IF it could go off, and 'kill someone I love,' it would be because I was not following the very basic, and first rule of gun ownership - never point the muzzle at anyone at any time, UNLESS you want 'em dead. At that point, this supposed flaw would be a feature.
There are anecdotal stories in every gun shop I've ever been in. To act like that's the only side to look at is just foolish.
I will go around again, specifically because you said this, and record what I hear - but I already know this to be bullsh*t, as I have already inquired extensively - To attack the integrity of the Rem 700 is to attack the premiere, most popular rifle in the US - Don't think it didn't make waves when it happened. And exactly *none* of the gunshops I frequent had anything but laughter for the charge... Very similar in scope to the charges made against Chevy's side-saddle gas tanks, and very much the same reaction.
The facts are, the company has paid lawsuits, the designer said there was a flaw and drew up another design that was rejected by Remington, and the discharge was filmed and it was a policeman that did it. Can't they be prosecuted if they intentionally faked it?
I find it odd that the 'policeman's' rifle is not available for examination... to determine whether the action had been modified (I can confidently predict that it was).
And lawsuits are settled all the time without justice - Insurance companies have more to do with settlements than any proof of guilt. If you are indeed a CFO, you know yourself that is a risk abatement strategy, and insurance providers are more attuned to risk than to the truth of the matter - One can just as easily say that those who settled showed the truth of their actions - If my son were killed by such a discharge, and I knew that to be true, there is no amount of money that would keep me out of court, and off the front page.
Full disclosure, I own a million shares of Strum Ruger stock, am the CFO of said company, and have a film that shows Ruger's never misfire and always hits the target.
Ahh... there's the truth of it. Pimping your ride. Well I can tell you I will never buy another Ruger, precisely because of your words here today. And I thank the Lord I chose Marlin for the last gun I bought (45/70) over yours. I hate bad faith and rumor mongers, and I find it to be a despicable business practice, regardless of the quality of one's product. So if you are as you say, know that you have just lost a customer. Perhaps others will follow.
We've never been sued and don't have a special on CNBC. That should count for something.
Your turn will come - And I will just laugh, and remember this day.
Hmmm... If that is true, I wonder how the General Counsel of Remington Arms would treat this thread. Or, Mr. Fifer (CEO of Sturm Ruger) for that matter.
Well, I think taxcontrol is talking about buying a new rifle. If I understand the "safety-off discharge" issue correctly, Remington resolved that when it replaced the Walker trigger design with the X-Mark Pro in 2007. The ongoing controversy is being fueled by the vast number of older 700s out there. If you've seen some evidence that the newer triggers are also plagued with this problem, then by all means, please respond with that info.
Even those older rifles, if fitted with a decent aftermarket trigger/safety from Timney, Canjar, etc., should be as safe as any firearm with a trigger-block safety can be. The bolt-mounted safeties seen on the Winchester Model 70 and '98 Mauser are about as good a design as possible on a bolt-action, but even those safeties can fail. There's never a substitute for safe gun handling.
[Full disclosure, I own a million shares of Strum Ruger stock, am the CFO of said company, and have a film that shows Ruger’s never misfire and always hits the target.]
Since you are the one always trashing Remington, this figures. Too bad Ruger M-77’s are junk. As a Big Game guide, I would never carry one in the field to protect my Bear/Moose clients. They jam and don’t feed worth a crap. I have had 2 of them because the Mauser style action is what guides prefer. But the M-77 extrator is very crude and does not work well.
The action also has severe feeding problems using rapid fire techniqe. I took them to the best gunsmiths, who have built some fine benchrest shooters for me, and there is something about the design that cannot be corrected.
I went back to my Whitworth express and Pre-64 Mod. 70 Winchester. (In 375 H&H) Now there are two of the finest dangerous game charge stoppers on the planet.
Oh, it had about a medium trigger pull from the factory(never measured it).
Incidentally a friend of mine has a Jeep Cherokee for many years that had a 30 caliber hole in the roof from a similar AD in another 700. It was not as repeatable but it would do it - and it was a stock gun.
I know he is blowing smoke out his a$$... For one thing Ruger HAS been sued more than once... whether successfully or not, I don't know, as I don't tend to keep track of such things. But I remember there was a class action by it's stockholders for deceptive practices (or something along those lines), and I remember an accusation against them regarding automatic rifle parts, IIRC... and that is just off the top of my head.
However, I am inclined to agree that Remington should be offered the opportunity to answer the charges made here, and that Ruger should likewise know that someone is presenting as though they represent the company, that they can make a more 'official' answer as well.
So, you think creating envy in the heart of old men is a nice thing, huh? Closest I could come to amove like that is buying consecutively numbered Marlin 795, 22lr rifles for my two grand kids.
I will take you at your word, but I find your story very hard to swallow - You sawed up a perfectly good gun rather than simply replacing the action? Even if you had lost confidence in the Remington action, why not just replace it with an aftermarket? and sadly, the evidence of your claim is (like all the others) irretrievable. You are the first person I have ever talked to that had any trouble at all.
I too use a lighter pull than factory - though not too light, as I am in brush country quite a bit to get to where the elk are, and a light trigger in brush is just asking for trouble, just in case I forget to set the safety.
Before I got sick, I went shooting A LOT, to the point of re-barreling both of the Rem 700 7mm mags that I have owned (with actions fully rebuilt at the same time). Even when extremely worn out, I have not found your problem to occur, but if it did, I wouldn't pitch the gun, I would fix the action. And if I could not figger it out, my gunsmith certainly would - that's why all my guns go in annually - not so much because I am not capable, but just to get another set of eyes on the job.
And if Remington's shop didn't fix the problem, I would be pissed off enough to MAKE them fix it right, or I would have it fixed elsewhere and send them a bill for my troubles.
Maybe that is just a difference between you and me, and I get that... but I find your actions to be outside of my normal 'norm' (and those around me too).
In some ways I do regret disposing of the rifle but at that time Remington was stonewalling on the issue. I recall writing them a letter and getting one back that was a brush off.
I also believe that there were batches of guns that were prone to have the problem. The 60 minutes report seems to lead one to believe that there was a lifetime history of problems with the 700.
BTW I also have a theory that it is temperature related(secondary cause) and certain guns are prone to do it within a temperature range.
If you look at the trigger mechanism it does have significant room for a tolerance stackup to lead to an issue.
Now I have several Mausers that are well over 100 years old and are still original. All of them work flawlessly with outstanding trigger action.
My primary tool of choice though is a Sako. I love them. Solid as a rock.
Pretty fond A bolts also.
These days, a quick visit to the Gentry Custom or Pacific Tool and Gauge websites will hook you up with either a 3-position safety bolt shroud or a complete replacement bolt with similar features for the 700 - all for less money than a replacement rifle.
I hear ya about the irony thing. I love my freedoms, and love my Com-bloc weapons. Yep, I exercise my freedom by owning commie guns.
The cartridge should be able to reliably put down a 250 pound animal.
I'd like this weapon to come in under 9 pounds if possible, without scope or mounts for same.
I'll admit that the only Ruger products I own are a couple of 10-22 rifles. But I do consider that product to be an absolute essential before one purchases almost any other firearm.
Which of your line would you recommend and in what caliber?
Thanks in advance for your assistance.
L
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