The thing which is really ridiculous is that a certain number of Christians apparently including at least one pope, no sooner hear about the "big bang" idea then they think to themselves "Gee, that's GREAT! Another creation story, just a little matter of about (17,000,000,000 - 6000) years difference from ours, we ought to be able to come up with some sort of a fudge factor!!"
The problem: Having all the mass of the universe collapsed to a point would be the mother of all black holes; nothing would ever bang its way out of that.
Likewise for a supposedly omniscient and omnipotent God to suddenly figure out it would be a cool thing to do to create a universe (6000 years ago or 17,000,000,000, doesn't matter) while the idea had never occurred to him previously, is basically idiotic. Big Bang is bad physics and bad theology rolled up into a package.
What the evidence seems to suggest is that the universe is basically eternal, like God, and that the creation stories we read in ancient literature refer to the creation of our own system and local environment, and not to the entire universe. Our LIVING world, at least in its present conformation, does in fact appear to be ballpark for some sort of a 6000 - 10000 year age; the planet viewed as a collection of rocks is older than that.
Perhaps. What exactly is your ping list about? And is it a high or low volume ping list?
Interesting theory, and intriguing as well.
There are a couple of problems, such as the impossibility of a concrete but infinite number of “moments” prior to now,
and the problem of “fitting” Gen 1:16 (” He also made the stars.”) into the theory.
But it was an intriguing thought nonetheless.
The problem is that people do not know their history!
The big bang theory was proposed by a priest.
Georges LeMaitre - other wise known as the House. :)
12,000 years ~ current standard for cutting stone BTW.
well, that dating certainly comports with the hard facts of human recorded history as we know it...yes there is a whole industry of “prehistory” but really, it all gets pretty fuzzy (understatement) about 4,000 BC. About 4,000 BC it seems like all of a sudden, we can start to see what is happening out there in the world, from a historical perspective, in terms of human action.
-—Our LIVING world, at least in its present conformation, does in fact appear to be ballpark for some sort of a 6000 - 10000 year age; the planet viewed as a collection of rocks is older than that. -—
Sorry, what do you mean by ‘living’ world? Are you implying that the first life-forms appeared on earth within the last 10,000 years?
“The problem: Having all the mass of the universe collapsed to a point would be the mother of all black holes; nothing would ever bang its way out of that.”
The Big Bang is short hand for Big Expansion of Space and it is not an explosion but a huge increase in the dimensions of space, and by the way, time.
If you measured space, any space, a billion years ago and did so again today for the same amount of space they would measure differently. And the Expansion is acceleratiing for reasons that are not at all clear.
You might want to review the writings of Gerald Schroedershalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Unless perhaps, at the point of singularity, it disappeared to emerge into a new universe. "Turned inside-out," so to speak.
So, the universe never began, but it is dying? I haven’t watched the videos yet, but maybe you could give me a brief synopsis of their view of whether the universe is dying (going toward a uniform very cold temperature). Or is it recreating itself in places? Is there a reverse entropy engine somewhere?
To the contrary, they give off Hawking Radiation. As a result of which, the mass of the black hole decreases. Q.E.D., things CAN, and do, get out of a black hole.
As for the theology portion of the equation, I would not presume to say definitively how God did or didn't do anything. The Big Bang Theory was created to explain a set of objective observations at the time. As we accumulate additional information and understanding, we will modify theory to fit the observations. Improving our understanding of the universe we live in merely brings us closer to understanding the mind of God, such as we are able.
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Your argument: it’s strawmen, all the way down.
The problem is that every known measure of the mass of the universe indicates that it is much too low for gravity to arrest the expansion and draw everything back together for another cycle.