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To: wendy1946
The problem: Having all the mass of the universe collapsed to a point would be the mother of all black holes; nothing would ever bang its way out of that.

The Law of Conservation of Energy might be worth skimming over. Slightly poetic that a single fermoin can be created from two photons. Matter from light? In a beginning moment of the cosmos as we know it? Sounds like something I've heard before...
15 posted on 03/07/2011 2:05:26 PM PST by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: Renderofveils

That’s true, if the pre-bang singularity was all the matter in the universe, but since matter and energy are interchangeable, the “mother of all black holes” can also be the “mother of all energetic events” if rather than matter (which didn’t even exist until after the bang) our “singularity” was a point of unimaginable energy.

I think most scientifically minded theists can see that there was an explosion of some kind...Fundamentalist religious nuts have ignored science all through history and attacked the messenger until evidence (that the world was round, orbited the sun, was not the center of the universe, etc) was no longer deniable.

To this day there are deadly earnest people who will tell you God made the Earth a few thousand years ago pre-packaged with dinosaur fossils to sift those with lukewarm faith from the fanatics.

That said, while I regard religion with a healthy dose of mistrust, the premise that all that all of *this* simply “happened” makes atheism look even more ridiculous.

When I see a pattern of ripples on a lake, I know that something disturbed the water at its epicenter. When you see the exact same pattern in the cosmos, you can bet your last dollar that something similar happened in space.

That said, who’s really made the bigger leap of faith? The scientist so awed by Creation that he finds God at the heart of the big bang, or the one who tries to twist the numbers to fit a theory that will forever be unprovable that says it was all random chance?

Just like the fundamentalist who sees an effort by God to trick people with dinosaur bones, I’d submit that the second scientist in the example above is a zealot and a fool.


31 posted on 03/07/2011 2:56:31 PM PST by Heavyrunner (Socialize this.)
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