Remember that the Social Security card and number were to be only for the purposes of Social Security?
Posted on 01/31/2011 7:55:33 AM PST by SeekAndFind
That would never happen here. /sarc
Don’t throw that old Short Wave Radio away yet.
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Remember that the Social Security card and number were to be only for the purposes of Social Security?
I worry more about the Universal Internet ID than I do a shutdown. Kill the internet: kill the economy: kill the tax revenue golden goose.
Still, backup comms isn’t a bad idea. Just because it’s stupid or harmful, even to themselves, doesn’t mean the govt won’t do it.
Killing the internet would really be tough.
Not only wouldn’t I be able to browse, my phone is VOIP and my TV comes through by internet also (FIOS).
I still can’t find a “kill switch” in the bill.
The bill is about doing something we need, having a coordinated civil response to attack and ensuring our critical infrastructure is protected. Under this, owners of critical infrastructure are required to have plans to deal with emergencies, and the government (CERT) is supposed to help them. If the SHTF, the president can tell those owners to implement their plans. The bill even says the plans must “represent the least disruptive means.”
Give the government time. They will get around to both of them.
Bush creation of Homeland Security was wrong and we wil pay for it with our freedom.
Disaster planning is something you do in business. Why is it good to have the government getting involved in this? What is the purpose for getting involved in this?
What exactly would they consider to be an emergency? Would the owners not know when the SHTF without a call from the government? Won't that be obvious? Why are we assuming that a central command and control infrastructure is a good thing?
See, I don't trust the government at all. They lie and steal from us all on a daily basis. I don't think they're stupid. I think they have malicious motivations.
Exactly. BTW, I have an Extra Class license.
For one, the government is already involved in public network security via the CERT. If you've ever seen a computer security alert, there's usually a CERT number along with it. Second, this is about public networks that impact the ability of the government to function or that provide or control basic services to the people. Yes, much of our government's communications runs through these privately owned networks.
Would the owners not know when the SHTF without a call from the government?
The difference between individual owners taking action at different times that may or may not be applicable to the problem in the larger scheme, and a coordinated, targeted response. The Chinese are gearing up to be able to make a coordinated attack. Shouldn't the defense also be coordinated? Think war, because that's what this is. Do you think our power plants and shipping ports have no coordination with the government in case of war or other national emergency?
CERT is funded through DARPA. CERT is at Carnegie Mellon University. This senate bill would create a new federal bureaucracy, not through CERT.
Why do we need a law for this? Why do we need MORE bureaucracy? If they just want to make sure the networks are hardened for attacks, why don’t they work with their providers or find new providers that can do it?
Why pass more laws and make more bureaucrats? Isn’t there an alternative to that?
Raising war, China, terrorism as an excuse is good because it makes the people afraid. Governments can, and our government has, get away with a lot when they scare the people and then say they are going to fix it.
Laws are better than an executive agency just claiming it has the power to do this. As far as more buraucracy, that is a good question. What existing agency do you think would be best to take on the responsibility for the coordination?
why don’t they work with their providers or find new providers that can do it
These are the providers, all of them.
Raising war, China, terrorism as an excuse is good because it makes the people afraid.
Be happy that, unlike you, the government has actually realized that the next generation of warfare has a large Internet component. It's not an excuse. It's fact. It's like you're sitting here a hundred years ago asking why we should bother developing a defense against these flying machines, and saying that any preparation for such a defense is just an excuse to make people afraid.
Now there's a false dichotomy. Who is the customer? Why can the customer not go to the provider and say "We have these requirements. How much does that cost to fulfill?" Identify the customer and you have identified the entity responsible for the coordination with their providers.
The option I propose has the government paying for service. The two options you have identified would place a regulatory burden on all of them. The regulatory burden would be borne by everyone and less easily identifiable on a line-item audit. I would prefer the government negotiate the price up front rather than covertly taxing everyone through regulation.
Be happy that, unlike you, the government has actually realized that the next generation of warfare has a large Internet component. It's not an excuse. It's fact. It's like you're sitting here a hundred years ago asking why we should bother developing a defense against these flying machines, and saying that any preparation for such a defense is just an excuse to make people afraid.
A misunderstanding of my argument and a straw man! Nice one! Is that a willful misunderstanding or do you just not comprehend?
My questions are not about the necessity of hardening networks. My questions are about the means the federal government is using. My preferred solutions are more open and market, and tax-payer, friendly. Yours are more totalitarian.
False dilemma. I meant to write false dilemma.
Need to proof read ENTIRE post.
Personally, I think the genie is out of the bottle with respect to the Internet. Hundreds of millions of devices with internet capability with most businesses dependent upon it to operate and do business. It would be tough to shut all that down without crippling the economy in the process.
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