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HEATING FUEL HORROR STORIES
self | 1/26/2011 | self

Posted on 01/26/2011 6:51:40 PM PST by Little Bill

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To: joesjane
So do you both think that it is worth it to get rid of a perfectly good hot water heater in order to install the on demand system or would it be more cost effective to wait until the one I have dies?

In many cases you can't simply replace an old storage type gas water heater with a tankless one. The gas pipe must be larger. It's expensive to upgrade the pipes in an existing house. Often it is cheaper to do nothing and just pay the bill.

61 posted on 01/26/2011 8:32:04 PM PST by Greysard
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To: Little Bill
You wanted to get away from wood so you went to pellets. Hmmm... What do you think the pellets are made from???
62 posted on 01/26/2011 8:40:08 PM PST by BooBoo1000
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To: Little Bill

What are all of you whining about?

obmmer’s b!tch at the epa is going to save us.

she’s going to mandate 15% corn juice in heating oil and natural gas as well as motor fuel. This will decrease the efficiency by 30% and raise the price by 50%.

Until you peasants stop complaining the financial beatings will continue until morale improves.

Oh yeah, since we’re going to be using food stocks for fuel the cost of groceries will increase by 75%...


63 posted on 01/26/2011 8:45:11 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: joesjane

Friend installed a demand heater couple of years ago. Power was down in their area for four weeks because of Ike. No power, no hot water. They took showers and washed their dishes at my house where I have the old fashioned gas kind.


64 posted on 01/26/2011 9:10:20 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: 43north; All

It’s insanity, food for fuel. Only plentiful sugar beets from Brazil approach being cost effective when converting to fuel and the US imposes a 50% tax on importing them.

At least wrap your storage water heaters with an off the shelf water heater blanket to help insulate it from the cold, newer water heater have better insulation but wrap them too. Next would be to install pipe insulation on the hot water delivery pipes (if you can get to them) next would be to install low flow shower heads to cut down on hot water usage.

An airtight wood stove would be the way to go as there are many price ranges and styles to choose from plus different types of ducting enhancements to use (intake and outflow). Besides they burn anything you can fit inside them and they are very efficient.


65 posted on 01/26/2011 9:12:00 PM PST by Razzz42
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To: Little Bill

Oct and Nov were about $300 per month. Dec hit $600 with colder temps and higher prices. Jan will be even worse because last two weeks have been going below zero consistently (New Hampshire).

This is natural gas. Have my tank in the back yard.

I’m looking at all options including different windows, wood stove in the basement, anything. This is only our first winter in this house. We had an apartment before which was very cheap to heat.

Long term, I’ll be leaving this state. 2-3 years. Combine high energy prices with insane property taxes, poor school choices for my son, some $500 to register 2 vehicles, and paying for union cops to sit at every construction site to pad their overtime, and a poor economy and it just doesn’t make financial sense to live here.


66 posted on 01/26/2011 10:30:17 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: Concho

What are the details? What heater? Did it replace a gas furnace? How’d you get $1.60 propane?


67 posted on 01/26/2011 10:33:25 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Wow, that’s awesome. My all electric bill last month was 360... in Nor California

I gotta get outa that place, if it’s the last thing I ever do.


68 posted on 01/27/2011 3:36:04 AM PST by hattend (The meaning of the 2010 election was rebuke, reject, and repeal. - Sarah Palin)
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To: AlmaKing
Long term, I’ll be leaving this state. 2-3 years. Combine high energy prices with insane property taxes, poor school choices for my son, some $500 to register 2 vehicles, and paying for union cops to sit at every construction site to pad their overtime, and a poor economy and it just doesn’t make financial sense to live here.

Join the club...people are fleeing New Hampshire in droves. Of course; you have to get out while you can still afford to...will heating oil top $5 per gallon by next year?

We should have started drilling ten years ago, but everyone CAVED to environmentalist control freaks, and now it is time to pay the piper.

69 posted on 01/27/2011 3:57:29 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: BooBoo1000
You wanted to get away from wood so you went to pellets. Hmmm... What do you think the pellets are made from???

Pellet stoves are worthless during one of New Hampshire's all too frequent power failures...freeze to death in the dark? Not pleasant.

70 posted on 01/27/2011 4:00:04 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Little Bill

We bought 100 gal of propane on Dec 28 for $2.39 a gal. but we only use it for our cook stove and that will last us about 3 years. We heat our house with wood heat (Napolean) and save ourselves around $2,400 per year on our electric bill alone, by not using our heat pump. We have our electric bill down to around $70.00 a month. We close off rooms that we don’t use often and I do a fair amount of cooking on the Napolean, that also helps.
We have a solar hot water system that we hope to get installed this Spring and that should reduse it even further, we’ll see.


71 posted on 01/27/2011 4:40:02 AM PST by spitter
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To: WVNan
We have plenty of hydro power hereabouts. When we built our new house, I specified a ground source heat pump and thermal floor plus plenty of blown cellulose insulation and the best windows I could buy. All of these items contribute to a low power bill.
72 posted on 01/27/2011 5:20:35 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Go Hawks !)
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To: Little Bill
$4.04/gal is outrageous!!!

I'm in North-Central WV at only 1500 ft. Last two times the truck was here to fill my neighbor, I had them top off my 500gal (400gal. max) tank.

12/15/10 - 164.7 gal. at $2.55 (previous fill-up was 8/17/10)
1/17/11 - 91.8 gal. at $2.75

That should hold me until the Aug. ‘summer fill-up’ when we get a ten cent/gal discount off the going price. Last Aug. was $2.29/gal (w/disc.)

Non-taxed kerosene in this area is $3.36/gal.

73 posted on 01/27/2011 5:30:20 AM PST by Roccus (Joe Biden.....America's only living brain donor.)
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To: Little Bill

Not on this front, and we’ve had a prety cold winter. I pay $35/month in natural gas and about $100 in electric for a rather large 1906 farmhouse. (Lots of insulation and new windows have helped greatly!)

Of course, I’m gone most days out working, so she’s at 55-degrees, and I keep it that cold at night too, with an electric heater just in the bedroom.

So far, so good. :)


74 posted on 01/27/2011 5:34:07 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'hobbies.' I'm developing a robust post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: joesjane
On demand requires a 100 amp electric service for one model. Gas/propane for others. If you do not have those available the cost of adding them can be staggering.
75 posted on 01/27/2011 5:39:59 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (V for Vendetta.)
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To: kitchen

Yeah, I have the minimally expanding foam. Thanks for the warning though :)


76 posted on 01/27/2011 6:12:44 AM PST by jurroppi1 (The gropings will continue until morale improves (or) "don't TSA me bro")
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

The comments here largely miss the point. The US$ is being devalued making the costs of gold and oil and many other goods rise.

To relieve the pain, hedge by buying stocks or mutual funds that are rising in value.


77 posted on 01/27/2011 6:24:26 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 .....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: Little Bill

WTF!

And I thought I was getting slammed. Got a LP delivery yesterday in NM at $2.50/gal.


78 posted on 01/27/2011 6:29:19 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Jubtabulously We Thrive!)
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To: Little Bill

We heated with fuel oil until last year. We installed an outdoor wood furnace. We burn a lot of wood. But we don’t miss the thousands of dollars we use to pay for oil. The furnace has 300 gallons of water. We have two circulation pumps into the house. One goes to a heat exchanger for our radiators, and the other goes to our hot water heater for domestic hot water. Hooking up to the hot water heater save us about $30 on our electric bill. We burned six cords of wood last year. We have a large old house, and our oil bill was $3k a year. I installed the furnace myself. Total cost was $7500. Minus the $1800 tax credit.


79 posted on 01/27/2011 7:00:00 AM PST by CJinVA
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To: Bodleian_Girl
My brother in law just received an $824.00 electric bill. In Alabama.

Holy shiite!! He needs a couple of these for $269.00. It reduced our heating [all electric home] to less than $100 for each of the last two months.

Infra / quartz heaters


80 posted on 01/27/2011 7:00:55 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (America has two cancers - democrats and RINOS.)
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