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The Rove, O'Donnell Strategry (Shameless and Useless Vanity)
Vanity oh Vanity

Posted on 09/16/2010 9:46:36 AM PDT by mnehring

Like many of you, I am very concerned about the rumblings of the Republican power base, specifically Karl Rove. They seem to be sending some very negative messages towards Tea-Party candidates like O'Donnell. In addition what what we've seen, I believe they are floating negative comments to see how people react.

However, I have been thinking- is there a different strategy behind this?

First, about Rove- what do we know?

1. Unlike what he is portraying with O'Donnell, Rove has never had a problem working with candidates with baggage. The financial charges against O'Donnell are minuscule compared to the accusations against Bush.

2. Rove has, in the past, supported the under-dog Conservative over the establishment Republican. A great example of this is his early on support of Rubio even when common sense hinted Crist would walk away with it.

3. Rove is very much a state-by-state strategist, always working messages to how the state trends.

Some other things we know are:

4. Delaware is a very Blue state.

5. O'Donnell has massive grass-roots support, with independents trending towards her.

6. No one can deny the wave of the tea-party candidates recently.

With those thoughts- what if Rove has a completely different strategy.

1. He knows that O'Donnell is running in a blue state, so his strategy is to help position herself as not party of the Republican establishment but as an average person- thus appealing to more than just Republican voters but also disgruntled Dems.

2. He can't deny that a LOT of the tea-party movement is against the establishment. By making her appear to be an anti-establishment with a common opponent of both Establishment Republicans and Democrats- it fires up the tea-party and average Joe base behind her. No one can deny that this opposition to her by the establishment has fired up the base- look at her donations in the past two days.

3. Rove and Rush are close friends. Before this primary, Rush was strongly pushing for O'Donnell and already working the message about her being opposed to the Republican establishment. All of these messages have worked together well.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: delaware; odonnell; rove; rush; tokyorove
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Is Rove a weasel bastard or could he still be a magnificent bastard playing the game better than we think?
1 posted on 09/16/2010 9:46:40 AM PDT by mnehring
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2 posted on 09/16/2010 9:48:56 AM PDT by RummyChick
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Is Rove a weasel bastard or could he still be a magnificent bastard playing the game better than we think?

I would be impressed if you were right, but I don't think that Rove is that clever a strategist. Nor do I think he is that bad at reading people - the words he chose would hurt O'Donnell with any voter who took him seriously.

3 posted on 09/16/2010 9:49:48 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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Well, if it is the latter, it completely flopped, lol.


4 posted on 09/16/2010 9:49:51 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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No, Rove’s candidate for 12 could be running against Palin.

This is prob the beginning of a primary fight.


5 posted on 09/16/2010 9:49:51 AM PDT by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: RummyChick

Is that Castle that Gollum-Reid is holding?


6 posted on 09/16/2010 9:50:09 AM PDT by mnehring
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My first comment on this whole affair was long these lines -- although not nearly as thorough and well-written as your comment.

But I don't think so. I certainly think Rove is helping O'Donnell very much and making it likely that she will win. But I believe Rove is doing this by accident. I consider him a pure Republican establishment guy and I think he is the enemy.

7 posted on 09/16/2010 9:50:09 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Things will change after the revolution, but not before.)
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Bingo! The long, hairy but well-coiffed arm of Dirty-Tricks Romney?


8 posted on 09/16/2010 9:52:13 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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For the “magnificent bastard” tactic to be useful I’d think he’d have distanced himself with words not so useful to the ‘Rats

He was too personal and vicious and specific, and now his words will be used against O’Donnell during the next 7 weeks

I think you pose an intriguing possibility, but if that’s what he was up to he went way overboard


9 posted on 09/16/2010 9:52:17 AM PDT by Enchante ("The great enemy of clear language is insincerity." -- George Orwell --)
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Well, if it is the latter, it completely flopped, lol.

Did it? She went from polling behind by -25 to -11 in one day and she went from raising only $50K through the entire primary to almost $1Million in one day.

10 posted on 09/16/2010 9:52:47 AM PDT by mnehring
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Is Rove a weasel bastard or could he still be a magnificent bastard playing the game better than we think?

Rove is going to voluntarilly allow his reputation to be totally destroyed in the minds of most conservatives just to help out a politician he was actively trying to defeat not long before?

Sorry. I'm not buying that.

11 posted on 09/16/2010 9:52:50 AM PDT by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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Coons. Reid said Coons was “my pet”.


12 posted on 09/16/2010 9:53:26 AM PDT by RummyChick
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The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

Rove didn’t favor her, because he didn’t (doesn’t) think she can win.


13 posted on 09/16/2010 9:53:52 AM PDT by RangerM (A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost.)
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Now that’s funny.


14 posted on 09/16/2010 9:54:12 AM PDT by mnehring
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He was too personal and vicious and specific, and now his words will be used against O’Donnell during the next 7 weeks

Spot-on.
15 posted on 09/16/2010 9:54:51 AM PDT by TSgt (And the war came.)
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That’s not the behavior of any political supporter or friend. That’s someone doing a dirty deed for a dirty professional purpose.


16 posted on 09/16/2010 9:55:52 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: ClearCase_guy
But I don't think so. I certainly think Rove is helping O'Donnell very much and making it likely that she will win. But I believe Rove is doing this by accident.

Given the fact that Christine O'Donnell's opponent is apparently a hard-core Marxist, it is truly incredible that Rove is doing all he can to make her lose.

17 posted on 09/16/2010 9:57:21 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: mnehring

No, all I’m saying is - I don’t agree he did it on purpose. No one would blow up their career like that for one candidate. I watched the interview live (I’m sure you did too), it was a genuine meltdown.


18 posted on 09/16/2010 9:59:18 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: mnehring


I'll let this serve as my answer ...
19 posted on 09/16/2010 10:00:20 AM PDT by Scythian
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The Democrats went off the deep end in the Bush years by deluding themselves into thinking that Rove was some sort of evil scheming genius, instead of a basic political operative. They seriously thought that Rove controlled the weather, for crying out loud.

I would humbly suggest we don't do the same. Rove said what he said because that's what he honestly believes.

What I don't think the Roves of the world are taking into account is the fact that Castle could have won and then pulled an Arlen Specter / Jim Jeffords and flat-out joined the Democrat party when the offers started pouring in.

Also, they're missing the larger point. If the Republicans don't want this sort of thing to happen again, they better start nominating people who would be more palatable to the tea partiers.
20 posted on 09/16/2010 10:00:52 AM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Worst. Post-Racial President. EVER.)
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