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Men At Work lose plagiarism case in Australia (plagiarised a Girl Guides' song)
BBC News ^ | Thursday, 4 February 2010 | no byline

Posted on 02/05/2010 10:10:37 AM PST by a fool in paradise

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To: a fool in paradise
Iambic Pentameter and other poetic rhythms are NOT copy-write material!!!!

The notes and measures are demonstrably different!

21 posted on 02/05/2010 11:04:05 AM PST by G Larry (DNC is comprised of REGRESSIVES!)
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To: Claud
But this is a quotation of a fragment of melody that has come to be recognized as quintessentially Australian—it’s not a ripoff of a whole song or the melodic/harmonic structure thereof. Heck, Mozart was doing it back in the day.

Hell, Jimi Hendrix quoted "Strangers in the Night" at his famous Monterey Pop Festival performance of Wild Thing (see 2:48 here). Musicians do it all the time. As long as it's not the central theme of the song, it's not only not a big deal, it's generally considered quite a compliment.

22 posted on 02/05/2010 11:10:50 AM PST by Terabitten (Vets wrote a blank check, payable to the Constitution, for an amount up to and including their life.)
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To: a fool in paradise

I recall learning this song decades ago in my elementary school music class. I still remember the tune but not what a Kookaburra is. Even at the time I thought it was annoying to have to sing about something called a Kookaburra. I doubt the publisher of our school music book paid royalties to Australia.


23 posted on 02/05/2010 11:28:59 AM PST by wideminded
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To: wideminded

We learned it in 2nd grade. I swear they said it was a bird.


24 posted on 02/05/2010 11:30:25 AM PST by conservative cat
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To: a fool in paradise

They stink anyway. Not quite as much as the idiots called Midnight Oil though


25 posted on 02/05/2010 12:21:36 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

Is there any Australian band that gets your vote?

Olivia Newton John?
The Saints?
AC/DC?
The Easybeats?
Hoodoo Gurus?


26 posted on 02/05/2010 12:24:09 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("like it or not, we have to have a financial system that is healthy and functioning" Obama 2/4/2010)
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To: Terabitten
The man who owned publishing rights on Maybelline (Chuck Berry's song) sued John Lennon when the Beatles' released Come Together (for the line "here come ol' flat top, he come moving up slowly...").

The result was a settlement by which John Lennon would record a whole album of cover songs (for which the same man owned publishing rights).

27 posted on 02/05/2010 12:27:39 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("like it or not, we have to have a financial system that is healthy and functioning" Obama 2/4/2010)
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To: a fool in paradise

I touch myself was an Aussie song wasn’t it? LOL


28 posted on 02/05/2010 12:31:54 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Terabitten

But isn’t that was Vanilla Ice was sued for by Foreigner, or whoever it was?

“Sampling” - as it’s called now - is not new. Heck, the national anthem for the USA was just a beer-drinking bar song from the UK with original words to it.


29 posted on 02/05/2010 1:11:59 PM PST by Ro_Thunder ("Other than ending SLAVERY, FASCISM, NAZISM and COMMUNISM, war has never solved anything")
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To: Ro_Thunder

Vanilla Ice was indeed sued by Queen, because he used the main riff from “Under Pressure” as the main riff for his song “Ice Ice Baby.”

Legally speaking, using samples is okay as long as the original recording is properly referenced, for instance in the liner notes. It’s called “clearing” and it’s the generally accepted practice.

Musically, sampling sucks.


30 posted on 02/05/2010 1:20:00 PM PST by Terabitten (Vets wrote a blank check, payable to the Constitution, for an amount up to and including their life.)
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To: Terabitten

But the riffs on Under Pressure and Ice Ice Baby were different - slightly. Sure, it sounded a LOT alike, but it wasn’t exactly the same.

Kind of like calling it Mikey Mouse, instead of Mickey Mouse.


31 posted on 02/05/2010 1:51:20 PM PST by Ro_Thunder ("Other than ending SLAVERY, FASCISM, NAZISM and COMMUNISM, war has never solved anything")
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To: Claud; Terabitten

bttt to both of you

Poor Colin Hay :(


32 posted on 02/05/2010 2:12:13 PM PST by lainie (The US congress is full to the brim of absolutely disgusting thieves who deserve humiliating ouster.)
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To: Terabitten
Love the gum tree observation! Yes, a homage is NOT plagiarism.

But while quoting a song is often a common practice, it has been established that you cannot sing 90% of Howlin Wolf's “Killing Floor Blues”, throw in a Robert Johnson line about “squeeze my lemon till the juice runs down my leg”; and then call it “the Lemon Song” (Led Zeppelin)and not pay Howlin Wolf his money.

But the riff on squeezing lemons was obviously not “plagiarizing” Robert Johnson.

33 posted on 02/05/2010 2:18:58 PM PST by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: lainie; Terabitten

If you go to the Wikipedia page on the Men At Work song, they mention the controversy and they have some links to Aussie forums discussing this. The Aussies think this is insane. People pointed out that the songwriter died without ever making a peep about the Men at Work song, then the label buys the rights from her estate and then sues.

Most of them think the rec company guys are just vultures trying to score some money off of someone else’s work. So at least the rec company is losing the PR war.


34 posted on 02/05/2010 2:37:44 PM PST by Claud
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To: Ro_Thunder
Sure, it sounded a LOT alike, but it wasn’t exactly the same.

Vanilla Ice admitted to sampling it, just electronically cutting out one note.

Regardless, the problem was that that riff was the centerpiece of both songs.

35 posted on 02/05/2010 3:42:29 PM PST by Terabitten (Vets wrote a blank check, payable to the Constitution, for an amount up to and including their life.)
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To: allmendream
Love the gum tree observation! Yes, a homage is NOT plagiarism.

Thanks. I hadn't noticed it myself until someone pointed it out to me on a music forum.

36 posted on 02/05/2010 3:44:36 PM PST by Terabitten (Vets wrote a blank check, payable to the Constitution, for an amount up to and including their life.)
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To: Perdogg; Fred Nerks
the flute riff was stolen from Kookaburra Sits in the Old Gum Tree, written by Marion Sinclair in 1934

37 posted on 02/06/2010 9:15:59 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: pnh102

Makes me want to chunder....


38 posted on 02/06/2010 9:18:18 AM PST by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: SunkenCiv

Vultures, IMO. I thought of it more as a tribute to a song every Australian child learned to sing.


39 posted on 02/06/2010 3:24:36 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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