Chocolate moose prophecy
Posted on 01/10/2010 12:47:27 AM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
CORRECTION: Priest is 16, not 14 as in my prev post.
LDS priesthood goes like this:
# Deacon - Age 12
# Teacher - Age 14
# Priest - Age 16
# Elder - Around age 18/19; for converts soon after baptism
# High priest - Adult men usually after they have been called as a “bishop”.
I am not Mormon, nor am I a member of John Birch. I went to the website and they claim John McManus is the President at least according to the Press section dated 1/9/10. There is no Vance Smith listed on Board or in contact. Not sure what the true story is....
Vance Smith was president until 2005.
Deists, un-Churched, Congregationalist, Episcopalian, or Quaker, few of the founders had anything in common with the fundamentalist charismatic faith so common in the megachurches today, and had nothing in common (philosophically or religiously) with the Church of Rome. Anything to the contrary is ahistorical revisionism at its worst. For a true lesson on fundamentalist protestant revivalism, see the Second Great Awakening to get a better clue as to why we are where we are today religiously in the US, and how the Bible Belt became the Bible Belt.
But WHY??
THEY are the one's who claim to have the RESTORED GOSPEL!
There has been NOTHING in their 'doctrine' that has changed - why have they?
THEY are the ones who proclaim that the jots and tittles are SO important; why do they IGNORE GOD's word in D&C 132?
THEY are the ones who claim that their Temple Rites® are so IMPORTANT; yet they have CHANGED even those!
Led by GOD or MEN?
The reader will decide.
28. Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"
29. Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
No; this is the antithesis of the ...
"WE believed it before we didn't believe it." claim of present day MORMON leadership.
So then; them boys are GENTILES ‘til they turn 12??
Don’t the GIRLS get any special labels?
The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
Which [was] a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
[Which stood] only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed [on them] until the time of reformation.
But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption [for us].
I don't know how you can speak for me. I don't argue theology with a complicated, dead genius from 200 years ago that was not a religious leader but instead was a president.
When a guy is a baptized Christian that attends Christian church religiously, that has lifelong church membership and is educated by, married by, and buried by his Christian leaders, then I assume the guy was a Christian.
Depends on your view of the terminology.
The Bible, in my belief, is a step beyond “inspired” or “divinely inspire”, but is the very real Word of God, penned by men, but lead by God Himself.
The use of the term “divinely inspired” can correctly be attributed to more than the Bible. Have you ever been inspired by anything to take a course of action? To write a letter? To DO something?
Further, has God ever inspired humans to do anything beyond penning the original manuscripts of the Bible (the only complete and perfect version of the Bible is that which was originally penned, but now has been lost)?
Some of our founding fathers and even later leaders called the foundation of these United States as being from Divine Providence. When you consider that the odds were overwhelmingly against the young American nation in her war for independence, one can see that the eventual victory came at the hand of God.
Is it a stretch that God could “inspire” men to write the founding documents of a nation His Divine Hand lead to independence? After all, many of the authors of the Constitution were Christian, or at minimum, held to a firm belief in deity and HIS providential hand.
Now - to say that the Constitution is the infallible Word of God - yes that would most definitely be blasphemous.
But the term “divinely inspired” does not necessarily = “God-breathed”. I hold the “God-breathed” view of the Bible, but believe HE has inspired people to take courses of action (maybe even including to put together the best constitution a nation has ever been formed under).
Glen Beck was not trying to equate the US Constitution with scripture in any way - just demonstrating that God had to have had a guiding hand in the writing of it. Nothing blasphemous about that.
How can a church whose founder supposedly was given the "restored gospel" directly from God have a learning period?
Those who read the book for the first time will find within its pages the course laid out for eternal life. They will be able to conclude, with the testimony of Joseph Smith that "I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct book of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man could get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book."
I’ll throw this in as well. To me this all says that he was a church going Christian, of whom religious experts can sit around and debate his eccentricities or imperfections, or his vanities, etc, but they can not just decide that the man was not a Christian and start teaching that our founding fathers were not of the Christian faith.
“He served on the vestry, or governing body, of Episcopal parishes. He attended church regularly, and often those churches were Episcopalian. He contributed to Episcopal churches regularly, and he had his children not only baptized but also married under Anglican and Episcopal auspices.”
Chocolate moose prophecy
If it was not put in the "Doctrine and Covenants" it is not considered a prophecy.
And Christ is our ONLY high priest.
It physically sickens me to think that they so pridefully equate themselves with Jesus as being High Priests after the order (type) of Melchizedek. They do not realize that they denigrate Christ’s place in doing so.
But the term “divinely inspired” does not necessarily = “God-breathed”.
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Entemologically, that is EXACTLY what it means. Inspired - from O.Fr. inspiration, from L.L. inspirationem (nom. inspiratio), from L. inspiratus, pp. of inspirare “inspire, inflame, blow into,” from in-”in” + spirare “to breathe”,
Divine means God. Therefore, while the term may be misused in Modern English, “divinely inspired” literally means “the divine (God/gods) breathed in”.
Also, Becks theology allows (even insists) that the Constitution is literally “God breathed”. This comes from the LDS idea of Replacement theology, that the Latter Day saints are God’s new chosen people and the US is God’s promised land. This is also seen in their doctrines that Zion will be built here in America and that the Garden of Eden is located in Missouri.
Thanks for not pinging me. Of the 55, 52 I’ve read were Active Church Members. My wording on the first post was slightly off and YOU in your typical Trollish manner made it an issue after that and IGNORED Clarifications made thereafter. I personally consider you a troll and will never post or answer any additional post from you again on any subject manner as this was the last straw. Badgering posters is not the same as civil debate and you need to learn the differencee.
How can 12 of Christ chosen sit and argue over trivial matters years after the cross that caused a division? How can they misinterpret a passage of scripture that one among them would not die? Where did even Peter's knowledge come from? Yet Peter too was human. I have better things to do than to go on a Mormon and JBS witch hunt. I do believe this. Of the churches of today the doctorine mistakes of Mormons are gnats compared to some other well respected considered mainstream Christian Churches are not near as serious as the following. Ones who allow such abominations ass those who teach and marry persons into a practice of abomiunation in the pulpit. Which would I rather have as a neighbor? No contest!
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