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Sometimes I feel that I should feel a bit more ashamed of myself... ;')
1 posted on 11/28/2009 4:23:06 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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To: Stultis; FromLori

Hey, if ya got the name, ya may as well play the game... ;’)


2 posted on 11/28/2009 4:24:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

I hated Romney way back when he was named Nelson Rockefeller.


3 posted on 11/28/2009 4:32:34 PM PST by Stultis (Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia; Democrats always opposed waterboarding as torture)
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To: SunkenCiv

Now this is the place for this. The omnipresent reference is a bit big-brotherish.


4 posted on 11/28/2009 4:42:43 PM PST by jimfree (I am Joe Wilson, and "YOU LIE!")
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To: SunkenCiv

Why don’t we just hate everyone, then we can all get along?


5 posted on 11/28/2009 4:43:40 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: SunkenCiv

Wow, I stopped reading Free Republic a year ago cause it had morphed solely into a “I hate-Romney club” ... devoid of any relevant news ...... (ok, I checked the site once)

I check back in today, and find it is exactly the same:

Romney is the devil this, Romney is the devil that ....

Holy Cow, can’t we just move on ....


6 posted on 11/28/2009 4:44:16 PM PST by Edit35 (.)
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11 posted on 11/28/2009 5:00:27 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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The Doctor Fun Page

19 posted on 11/28/2009 5:06:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv
So we could say that Mitt kicked the door wide open for communism in America!?!

Whose right is health care? Do you think it's yours?

Congressman Anthony Weiner has said that health care is not a commodity. If it isn't a commodity then do doctors and nurses have rights? Assigning health care the status of a right makes health care workers slaves to that right who must serve it. On what ground could a health care worker refuse to provide their products and services since that would violate the patient's "basic human right to health care."

That is a direct loss of individual rights for health care providers. The collective right of the people to receive health care would supersede the provider's individual right to set fees and hours or to change their occupational status or even decide how to apply their skills and knowledge if taken to its logical extreme. A collective right, by practical definition, is a state right because it is a right that is created and given by the government to those it chooses to give it to. It is not a natural right possessed by each person protected by the Constitution from the government. It is also a collective/state right by virtue of the fact that it would supersede individual rights when the two come into conflict. How else would the government view a right that it created and administers vs. one it has no control over?

Of course it isn't stated in any bill that a patient's right to care supersedes a provider's right to set fees and hours etc, but it doesn't need to. Rights, as always, are adjudicated in the courts. The Health Care Reform bills simply establish the foundation for the courts to rule in favor of the collective right.

Weiner’s view is collectivist, fascist and totalitarian. Collectivist because it has to be described as being a right of the many instead of the one and superior due to that fact. Fascist because ultimately the sole authority for its creation and oversight is from one entity the Federal government. Totalitarian because the Federal government is the enforcer of this collective right as well. State and local jurisdictions will have little say about it.

Congressman Weiner's view is the underlying philosophy of all of the Health Care Reform legislation in the House and Senate. Consider this section in the Senate version of the bill; the setting up of community watch dogs that will monitor citizens for various health parameters. Read pages 382 - 393.

TITLE I—QUALITY, AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS pps 382 - 393

So, even citizens themselves will be subject to Federal regulations on their behavior in order to fulfill the "human right" of universal health care. It isn't the individual's liberty that is being protected by that it is the government's control over its own health care system that is being guarded. How much clearer can it be that these bills abrogate the concept of individual rights? Someone will be checking your lifestyle, according to gov regulations, to be certain you serve the best interests of the "basic human right to health care" ie. "the Public Option."

HCR is not just about rationing care and wealth redistribution. It's about the end of individual rights as the corrosive effects of the new collectivist "basic human right to health care" spreads throughout the legal and political systems like a virus.

I think that the main purpose of Health Care Reform (HCR) is as a direct assault on individual liberties.

Health Care is a Liberty Issue
Conservative Underground - 18 August 2009 - Tim Dunkin

Another Stupid Argument: Heath Care is a Right

Involuntary Medical Servitude

Obama's Authoritarian, Unconstitutional Health Care Proposal

Defining A Right In America

To Americans Who Believe Healthcare is a Right

OBAMA: HEALTH CARE DESTROYING FREE SPEECH

Mandated health insurance threatens freedom, privacy

Second Bill of Rights aka FDR's economic bill of rights
(An early attempt to embed collective rights into American politics and society.)


20 posted on 11/28/2009 5:07:30 PM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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This whole Romney thing is a sideshow -- defeating Obamacare is the biggest priority now, IMHO. The defeat of Obamacare actually would *help* elect Romney, because he'll be seen by the fence-straddlers who voted Obama as the guy who can actually get some kind of health boondoggle passed. Defeat Obamacare, and Zero looks like an even bigger failure than he does now, incompetent, bungling, a total mess.

Uh-oh, in that case, better support Obamacare!!! ;')

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26 posted on 11/28/2009 5:22:47 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

Yesterday I saw a Youtube video of Romney on his governorship campaign debate. He was arguing with a lady pretty much over who was more for the killing of babies - him or her?

I was stunned to have not seen that during the presidential primaries. But this I do know: after having watched him in that debate, I will NEVER EVER IN 10,000 YEARS CONSIDER HIM FOR DOG CATCHER.


44 posted on 11/28/2009 6:13:23 PM PST by Dogbert41
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To: SunkenCiv

Romney isn’t my favorite politician but this would have happened regardless.Our legislature is 90% RAT and can easily override a veto.With a legislature that filthy and amoral we could have Ronald Reagan as Governor and it wouldn’t make a damn bit of difference.


52 posted on 11/28/2009 6:29:00 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: SunkenCiv
As the say, ..... here is the rest of the story (on Bastardo Romney and his insane RomneyCARE).

PROOF OBAMA - CARE is a Disaster (and Congress could care less)

“CATO: OBAMACARE PRICE TAG IS 6 TRILLIONS
When we correct for both gimmicks, counting both on- and off-budget costs over the first 10 years of implementation, the total cost of ObamaCare reaches — I’m so sorry about this — $6.25 trillion.“


“The former CBO director, Douglas Holtz-Eakin, warns today on the effect ObamaCare
will have on our economy and health care. …This bill will lead to a huge middle class tax increase:
The bill creates a new health entitlement program that the Congressional Budget Office
(CBO) estimates will grow over the longer term at a rate of 8% annually, which is much
faster than the growth rate of the economy or tax revenues.“


”When Barack Obama ran for president, he promised that his health care plan would
"lower health-care costs by $2,500 for the typical family." Now, it turns out that new
legislation that he supports creating public-private "co-operatives" will increase the costs
of family health insurance by $4,000 by 2019.”


”Robert Reich Reveals Brutal Health Care Truths; MSM Snores
"We're going to have to, if you're very old, we're not going to give you all that
technology and all those drugs for the last couple of years of your life to keep you
maybe going for another couple of months. It's too expensive...so we're going to let
you die."


”PriceWaterhouseCoopers concluded that the cost of health insurance for the average
family will rise by $4,000 by 2019, as compared with doing nothing:”


“Customers will pay big for health fix: insurers”


“A major new report confirms the worst fears of many: Health care reform will raise the
costs for most Americans—by about 18% on average. That is on top of existing inflation of health coverage.”


“The WSJ Guide to ObamaCare. A comprehensive collection of our editorials. "


“45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul
Two of every three practicing physicians oppose the medical overhaul plan under
consideration in Washington, and hundreds of thousands would think about shutting
down their practices or retiring early if it were adopted, a new IBD/TIPP Poll has found.
The poll contradicts the claims of not only the White House, but also doctors' own lobby
— the powerful American Medical Association “


"Obama health care plan projected to cost 5.2 million jobs
In addition wages would be “stunted” for another 10.2 million wage earners."


"Oregon Offers Terminal Patients Doctor-Assisted Suicide Instead of Medical Care
PORTLAND, Ore. — Some terminally ill patients in Oregon who turned to their state for health care
were denied treatment and offered doctor-assisted suicide instead
"[How could they] not pay for medication that would help my life, and yet offer to pay to end my life?"


"Obama Health-Care Would Drive Up Inflation and Health-Care Costs
ObamaCare would shrink the economy, drive up health-care costs and inflation,
and increase the deficit,
Overall, total federal expenditures will be 5.6 percent higher than otherwise by 2019, adding $285.6 billion to the federal deficit in 2019”


"Pushing Veterans Toward the Grave”


PROOF Socialized Medicine is a Disaster

“70 deaths on ward of shame: Patients neglected by lazy nurses in a filthy, blood-spattered casualty unit, says damning report”


Hundreds of patients died needlessly at NHS hospital due to appalling care
The watchdog report comes just months after an investigation into Mid-Staffordshire
The NHS foundation trust found similar problems, with up to 1,200 avoidable deaths. ”


“NHS trust faces probe into high death rate and blood-spattered equipment ”


“NHS will provide free marriage guidance
Doctors and patients' groups said they were "horrified" by the use of NHS resources for
relationship advice when patients with cancer and dementia were being denied
treatment they desperately needed. ”


"Hospital patients 'left in agony'"
"Patients were allegedly left screaming in pain and drinking from flower vases on a nightmare hospital ward.
She said: "We saw patients drinking out of..."


“Woman bleeds to death after doctor punctures jugular - and no blood is available(UK) "


“Canadian Aboriginals receive body bags for flu

Health officials ordered an investigation Thursday into why the Canadian government
sent body bags to an Aboriginal reserve in Manitoba after community leaders requested
assistance to deal with an expected outbreak of swine flu. “


"Patient with ulcer collapses and dies after paramedics tell her: 'Stop being a drama queen'"


"Doctors said I'd had a miscarriage and did nothing as my premature baby fought for his life"


"British Death Panel IBD Editorials September 10, 2009
Single Payer: In Britain, where the public option is about all most patients get,
a newborn has died because national guidelines recommend that the baby not be treated."


"Is This The Obamacare Future? Overworked Doctors in Australia Worried They Are Killing Patients
there are long waiting lists for orthopedic surgery (median wait for total hip replacement is 88 days;
10% of patients waited over 345 days in 1999 to 2000), and cataract surgery (median is 73 days; 10% waited more than 316 days)."


"Bed shortage forces 4,000 mothers to give birth in lifts, offices and hospital toilets"


"Sentenced to death on the NHS ….
they can then have fluid and drugs withdrawn and many are put on continuous sedation until they pass away.


"NHS blunders allowed cannibal Peter Bryan to kill two”


"Paramedics told: 'Let accident victims die if they want to' in new row over patient rights (UK)"



"Patients Forced To Wait Hours In Ambulances Parked Outside A&E Departments"


"Cancer survivor confronts the health secretary on 62-day wait (UK)"


"Hospital patient so shocked at dirty ward she climbed out of bed to clean it herself."


"Kidney cancer patients denied life-saving drugs by NHS rationing body NICE (UK) "


"Girl, 3, has heart operation cancelled three times because of bed shortage (UK)."

84 posted on 11/29/2009 4:34:27 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: SunkenCiv

Because Romney’s legacy is socialized medicine I want nothing to do with him. He was just a harbinger of the crap coming out of the Congress. He did what the Left is doing now. So no thanks. I don’t want more of the same.


118 posted on 11/29/2009 5:33:03 PM PST by Mozilla
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