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Posted on 11/17/2009 10:10:27 PM PST by Swordmaker
A series of tests have revealed that even newer Windows 7 PCs are being bogged down by unnecessary software that makes them run much more slowly than Macs. Comparing factory versions of several notebooks versus clean models, PC Pro finds that Acer and Sony systems take about two whole minutes more to boot because of the "crapware," or third-party utilities and trial apps, preloaded out of the box. They also consume roughly 1GB more extra active RAM and also rob the system of as much as 2.4GB of space in Acer's case.
Other Windows PC makers are only slightly better, as HP's system takes 1 minute 35 seconds to boot, 1.06GB of RAM and 2.18GB of disk space. Dell's choices consume 54 seconds, 1.18GB of RAM and a large 3GB of disk space. ASUS, Lenovo, Samsung and Toshiba had relatively light use but in many cases still consumed several hundred megabytes of disk space and active memory.
By comparison, a 13-inch MacBook Pro included in the tests booted in 49 seconds. While second place in boot time versus one clean Dell system, it also had the lowest active memory footprint (289MB) of any system tested.
The examination underscores the problem of the added software, which is often installed to subsidize the cost of a given PC but is known to regularly undermine performance gains from faster processors or improved operating systems. Some vendors like Toshiba have promised that new systems will go without the software, but Microsoft has gone as far as to ship specially modified PCs that strip out software that the hardware manufacturers would normally include.
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Crapware! LOL!
I always uninstall all the stupid stuff before I use the computer. It’s not that difficult. Apple still doesn’t run the games I want to play, pure and simple. Boot time is not enough to get me to switch. Plus, the hardware cost of Apple is exorbitant.
This is why one builds one’s own computer at sites like pricewatch.com or newegg.com. Here you choose exactly what components you want and what software comes on the pc if any.
Buying a sony or a dell or any name brand pc is a store is an absolute waste of money. You will pay next year’s prices for last year’s gear, and you will get loads and loads of useless software that will never be employed.
Re-install fresh from the OS.
Solution = Delete Crapware.
Microsoft store PCs come without trialware
By Electronista Staff
updated 01:20 pm EDT, Wed October 28, 2009
The Windows PCs at Microsoft’s first retail stores are deliberately purged of the third-party apps they would normally carry, employees and eyewitnesses have confirmed. Product Advisor Jared Marino explains these systems, regardless of the brand, are considered Signature PCs and won’t include any unnecessary third-party software. In exchange, they come preloaded with the normally optional Windows Live Essentials pack as well as extras like Bing 3D Maps, Security Essentials and the Zune client.
Microsoft doesn’t say whether the treatment will extend outside of retail, though it did begin selling other companies’ PCs through its online store.
The customized software layout is a rare admission by Microsoft that many of its partners may have hurt the Windows brand through an insistence on preloading trial software and other non-essential apps. Although usually justified by vendors as subsidizing the cost of a given PC, both critics and in some cases Microsoft itself have referred to the programs as “craplets” for their tendency to clutter the desktop, pop up unwanted prompts and slow down the system.
Publicly, Microsoft has said it has been working with PC builders to improve the experience since Windows Vista’s release and has had limited success. Dell and Sony have had the option of systems or configurations without extra apps, but only Toshiba has promised completely clutter-free PCs.
The process is unofficially but generally acknowledged as an attempt to mirror the approach to Macs, which on Apple’s insistence are prevented from coming preinstalled with any third-party app desktop icons, menu bar items or background processes.
No, we can’t just delete the Crapware... Then what can the Mac fanbois have to stoke the flames of “ours boots faster”?
And you just know, that if Microsoft dictated that you couldn’t load all that crapware, the fanbois would be all over Microsoft as acting like a monopoly and unfairly containing competition.
I guess you missed this part from the article quote you posted:
While (OSX was) second place in boot time versus one clean Dell system
But that's OK... The Mac Apple logo is already "silver", indicating it's clean-sheet boot speed place...;)
Not really....
The source's conclusion was that there were two really good systems on the PC side that both came with fairly useful "crapware" (I know, an oxymoron)...
"Other machines, meanwhile, proved far more palatable, offering the holy grail of decent software that didn’t prove too taxing on hardware. The Dell and Asus machines both included genuinely useful applications and also offered swift boot times and good performance elsewhere."
I note that the Asus and the Acer had a stripped, no extras, boot time of 43 and 40 seconds respectively which also beat the Apple's standard 49 seconds. . . so this article is not quite correct... but I again point out that Apple's boot time is to full functionality, not with functions turned off.
I agree. I've been building my PCs for years. I think many folks are unecessarily intimidated. It's pretty easy. Especially with NewEgg, a great company (no affiliation).
Yep, I completely agree.
I really only got into pcs in 2000 with my first, which was a sony viao purchased from circuit city. It was of course loaded down with pre-bundled software which I never used. The case was much too small, mother board was basic, bare minimum, slow speed ram and so forth.
I attempted to build my second pc with limited knowledge of what I was doing. I succeeded in building a medium speed gaming pc that lasted me for a while. I had moved from agp to pci-e slots with significantly faster ram, but I failed to realize that duo core processors were better than the single that I ordered. Eventually, I upgraded the graphics card to an 8800 gt 512 mb, then also had to upgrade the power supply, because I needed a 6 pin plug to drive as well as higher wattage than the stock power supply.
Basically what I learned with my second pc was how to work inside of the case without being intimidated. I also became more familiar with graphics cards and ram.
When I realized my single core proc was a serious bottle neck as far as gaming goes, I built my third and current pc.
Its a duo core 3.0g proc, 8 g of much faster ram (although I am limited, because I still use XP), and a 9800 gtx2 with slots for two more of those if I ever want to triple SLI. I have become much more savvy with my knowledge of parts, and can easily do almost any task within the case.
If anything goes wrong now, I can pretty much diagnose and correct the situation. I feel like not only have I been able to construct a Bare Bones pc that would cost a LOT of money if it were available at a typical store, but I am also familiar with all of it, and that knowledge allows me to see how inferior name brand pcs available in stores actually are.
Ubuntu Linux boots in seconds. Just works.
The boot time of a Mac is not affected by any installed software.
Just delete it all. Takes awhile to fix but spend a couple hours getting all the stuff you want and there you go.
In the command prompt: msconfig> click start up> click disable all> click apply> restart pc. problem solved. Go back to same menu and enable any individual software you would like to run on start up.
Even if you delete it all, you still have to have other software installed which will again slow your system.
Macs don’t load software until you launch the program. I have never seen the system “slow down.”
However, I understand you can go into msconfig and uncheck startup items but who know what all that stuff is?
MDS strikes again. Do you have anything to add to the conversation, or do you prefer to appear like an ignorant child throwing a hissy fit? You're succeeding on that, quite well.
Build your own computer, if you wish, but some of us prefer the best thing available, and are willing to pay for it. Successful people are the biggest users of Macintosh computers.
I own 5 cars and a motor home. I know how to turn the keys and drive them. I don't build cars, or computers. I prefer to use them. I own a Mercedes Benz that is 22 years old, and drives like new. My '90 TownCar is running strong at 190k, and drives daily. My 3- '87 300ZX's are all running, and one is used to race SCCA. I don't work on any of their parts. I drive them. My Macs are the same.
Play your games and stay in your play pen. You've apparently not made it past the toddler stage... and for pete's sake, wipe that drool off your chin.
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