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Muslims at Fort Voice Outrage and Ask Questions
The New York Times ^ | 11-7-09 | MICHAEL MOSS

Posted on 11/07/2009 8:35:30 AM PST by Justaham

KILLEEN, Tex. — Leaders of the vibrant Muslim community here expressed outrage on Friday at the shooting rampage being laid to one of their members, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who had become a regular attendee of prayers at the local mosque.

But some of the men who had befriended Major Hasan at the mosque said the military should examine the policies that might have caused him to snap.

“When a white guy shoots up a post office, they call that going postal,” said Victor Benjamin II, 30, a former member of the Army. “But when a Muslim does it, they call it jihad.

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1 posted on 11/07/2009 8:35:30 AM PST by Justaham
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To: Justaham

The ‘vibrant’ Muslim community at Ft. Hood (on post or off?) should get the hell out of this country and go back to their fatherland of misery.


2 posted on 11/07/2009 8:37:04 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Justaham
"“When a white guy shoots up a post office, they call that going postal,” said Victor Benjamin II, 30, a former member of the Army. “But when a Muslim does it, they call it jihad."

Smart guy.

3 posted on 11/07/2009 8:37:20 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Justaham
"Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who had become a regular attendee of prayers at the local mosque."

Given the murderous rampage conducted by MAJ Hasan toward the great people of Fort Hood, I have to ask who these Mohammeds were praying to?

Satan is my guess.

4 posted on 11/07/2009 8:37:52 AM PST by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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To: Gaffer

Exactly.


5 posted on 11/07/2009 8:38:22 AM PST by Marechal
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To: Justaham

“Outrage” my arse.


6 posted on 11/07/2009 8:38:28 AM PST by skeeter (Pterocarya fraxinifolia)
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To: Paladin2

What would they call it if the white guy yelled “white power” while “going postal?”


7 posted on 11/07/2009 8:38:50 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Justaham

BSBSBSBS.
He is a TRAINED SHRINK...he doesn’t get the snapped, bullied, can’t find a wife defense.


8 posted on 11/07/2009 8:38:58 AM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Paladin2
Smart guy.

Yep. And if he doesn't like it, he can get out of Dodge.

9 posted on 11/07/2009 8:39:00 AM PST by bcsco (Hey, GOP: The Little Engine that Could is coming to New York ...)
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To: Justaham

““But when a Muslim does it, they call it jihad.”

— — —

except that he yelled “All Uh Fubar”


10 posted on 11/07/2009 8:39:00 AM PST by HighWheeler (The higher the concentration of libs, the bigger the tragedy that follows.)
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To: Paladin2

I didn’t find anything wrong with the statement either. Its just an acurate statement.


11 posted on 11/07/2009 8:39:26 AM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Justaham

Well when you yell Allah Akbar while shooting up the place I call it Jihad they can all rot in hell I say Gays yes Muslims no in the military


12 posted on 11/07/2009 8:39:29 AM PST by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
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To: Justaham

To my knowledge, no white guy has ever shot up a Post Office yelling “Christ is risen” because his religion made it an obligation of faith. Claiming racism is a lame excuse for blood-thirsty Islam that we have, unfortunately, taught them.


13 posted on 11/07/2009 8:39:37 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: Gaffer

They can emigrate to SA to live under the benefits of Sharia immediately.


14 posted on 11/07/2009 8:39:42 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Justaham

This article points out the conflicts that muslims have if they serve in the Army.

True.

Therefore... The Army should respect the core beliefs of Islam and bounce out any and all practising muslims.

Today.


15 posted on 11/07/2009 8:39:44 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (I am Legend)
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To: Justaham

“...But some of the men who had befriended Major Hasan at the mosque said the military should examine the policies that might have caused him to snap...”

What caused it? THE EVIL F-ING CULT of ISLAM CAUSED IT!


16 posted on 11/07/2009 8:39:48 AM PST by WellyP
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To: Justaham

bookmark


17 posted on 11/07/2009 8:39:54 AM PST by djsherin (Government is essentially the negation of liberty.)
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To: Gaffer
Oh muslim community, you look simply vibrant.

More like viperous.

18 posted on 11/07/2009 8:40:11 AM PST by Right Brother
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To: cripplecreek
Its just an acurate statement.

And what did he say before pulling the trigger? Look it up.

19 posted on 11/07/2009 8:41:23 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Paladin2

No, the statement is specious. Most white guys that go “postal” aren’t doing it because of their religion.


20 posted on 11/07/2009 8:42:51 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: Responsibility2nd

Fine solution. Makes perfect sense to me.


21 posted on 11/07/2009 8:42:51 AM PST by jazminerose
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To: Paladin2

Islam is a crutch and excuse for not having the will to better oneself and facilitates the subjugation and dominance of others through sheer lunacy. It is a disease of the soul.


22 posted on 11/07/2009 8:42:54 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Starboard

There’s a reason one is called Jihad and the other is called going postal. There is absolutely nothing wrong about what he said, but he doesn’t get it.


23 posted on 11/07/2009 8:43:20 AM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Paladin2
"“When a white guy shoots up a post office, they call that going postal,” said Victor Benjamin II, 30, a former member of the Army. “But when a Muslim does it, they call it jihad."

When a white guy does it shouting "Allah Akbar," I'll call it jihad then, too.
24 posted on 11/07/2009 8:43:29 AM PST by DRey
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To: Gaffer

Yep.

GTFOOMC


25 posted on 11/07/2009 8:43:49 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (I'd rather be a teabagger than an ankle-grabber.)
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To: al baby

I think the mosque should be looked into for the possibility of preaching jihad.


26 posted on 11/07/2009 8:44:00 AM PST by peeps36 (Democrats Don't Need No Stinking Input From You Little People)
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To: cripplecreek

Obviously you didn’t bother to look it up.


27 posted on 11/07/2009 8:44:47 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Justaham
“When a white guy shoots up a post office, they call that going postal,” said Victor Benjamin II, 30, a former member of the Army. “But when a Muslim does it, they call it jihad.

There is a difference.....

....."Going Postal" is something people have termed for snapping and shooting your co-workers.

.....Jihad is what muslims have called it themselves. Yelling ALLAH AKBAHR when doing it only adds to the Jihad perception. It is an act of religious war.

In short, they are both killings, but with different reasons.

28 posted on 11/07/2009 8:45:35 AM PST by SteamShovel (When hope trumps reality, there is no hope at all.)
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To: Justaham

buh bye amerika


29 posted on 11/07/2009 8:45:35 AM PST by expatguy (Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - DONATE)
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To: Justaham

You let them in — this is what you get. ALWAYS.


30 posted on 11/07/2009 8:46:07 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Paladin2

Dear, moral relativist, equivocating TERRORIST JACKASS.

When someone “goes postal,” it truly is a sign of insanity.

That is, THEY DON’T DO IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DICTATES OF THEIR EXTREMIST INTERPRETATION OF THEIR RELIGION.

If they are not atheists, then it is pretty much guaranteed that they are doing it IN CONTRADICTION OF THEIR RELIGION.


31 posted on 11/07/2009 8:46:12 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (I'd rather be a teabagger than an ankle-grabber.)
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To: Marty62

Plus, being an MD, he wasn’t on the front lines.

His duty would have been to counsel those who were truly suffering PTSD.

He was just a typical Islmaofascist terrorist waging jihad against Americans.

Maybe he just wanted a paycheck from the US government and when the US government actually had the audacity to expect him to work for it, that’s what convinced him to pull the trigger now instead of later.


32 posted on 11/07/2009 8:48:01 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (I'd rather be a teabagger than an ankle-grabber.)
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To: HighWheeler

Lets not jump to conclusions and just have a shout out


33 posted on 11/07/2009 8:48:26 AM PST by italianquaker (“Every inch of this Administration is rife with corruption and cronyism.” --- Michelle Malkin)
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To: Justaham
“I want to believe it was the individual, and not the religion, that made him do what he did,” ... It was Major Hasan, though, who increasingly felt let down by the military, and deeply conflicted by his religion, said those who knew him through the mosque... “He said he should quit the Army,” Mr. Reasoner said. “In the Koran, you’re not supposed to have alliances with Jews or Christian or others, and if you are killed in the military fighting against Muslims, you will go to hell.”

There it is. It was indeed Islam that made him kill 14 people (the media refuses to count the baby). Sorry, but I can't accept any outrage and sympathy from the Muslim side. They got caught cheering for 9/11 so any apologies now goes down as lies to infidels.

34 posted on 11/07/2009 8:48:39 AM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: Justaham

I’m sorry . . . it’s just one of the things radical Islamists and disgruntle postal workers have in common.


35 posted on 11/07/2009 8:48:39 AM PST by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: Justaham
“G.I.’s are like any equipment in the Army. When it breaks, those who were in charge of keeping it fit should be held responsible for it.”

Except this individual was one of the ones responsible. Then what? I say we look at the source of this malfunction...Islam.

36 posted on 11/07/2009 8:48:43 AM PST by Jagdgewehr (B. Hussein Obama is not the legitimate POTUS. He is nothing more than America's largest cult leader)
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To: Justaham

When a Muslim who has rationalized suicide bombings and advocated their use in Time Square, in public forums, and shouts “Allah Akbar” before shooting 51 people, THAT is terrorism!

Would someone like to defend an alternate conclusion?


37 posted on 11/07/2009 8:49:03 AM PST by G Larry (DNC is comprised of REGRESSIVES!)
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To: Paladin2

Religion of peace my ass...........“He said he should quit the Army,” Mr. Reasoner said. “In the Koran, you’re not supposed to have alliances with Jews or Christian or others, and if you are killed in the military fighting against Muslims, you will go to hell.”......Where in the Bible does it say you are supposed to not have alliances with any other religion?


38 posted on 11/07/2009 8:50:09 AM PST by milwguy
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To: Justaham

Hasan was simply obeying the Koran. Not even the moderate muslims can deny that these suras mean what they say.


39 posted on 11/07/2009 8:51:04 AM PST by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: bgill

“There it is. It was indeed Islam that made him kill 14 people (the media refuses to count the baby). Sorry, but I can’t accept any outrage and sympathy from the Muslim side. They got caught cheering for 9/11 so any apologies now goes down as lies to infidels.”

You can bet Al Quida and all the other jihad muslim gangs are cheering for this guy...in the name of ‘Allah’.


40 posted on 11/07/2009 8:51:09 AM PST by AuntB (If the TALIBAN grew drugs & burned our land instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: Gaffer

It’s “vibrant” for two reasons. 1) Open borders and 2) Army recruitment. Anyone should be able to figure that out.


41 posted on 11/07/2009 8:51:52 AM PST by Terry Mross (I hate all politicians...including republicans.)
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To: Justaham

Isn’t jihad the Muslim word for going postal???


42 posted on 11/07/2009 8:52:22 AM PST by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Scanian

Ding! Ding! Ding! The post of the day!


43 posted on 11/07/2009 8:52:52 AM PST by Terry Mross (I hate all politicians...including republicans.)
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To: Justaham

Sick of the excuses being made to justify and or explain how Major Hasan seemed to be compelled to do what he did.

There was no such compulsion.

If he was that conflicted about his coming deployment, he could have gone UA/AWOL/Missed a movement. Believe me THAT would have gotten the Army’s attention.

No, his interpretation of his religion’s requirements may have been the source of the stress he was under. But in the end, Major Hasan choose what he did and what he did was commit murder, pure and simple.

I understand he is now back at an Army hospital in San Antonio. I wish him the very best in terms of recovering from his wounds. I want him to get well so the Army can court martial and then execute him. Unfortunately, the federal government uses lethal injection. I’d prefer to see him hang.


44 posted on 11/07/2009 8:52:54 AM PST by Captain Rhino (“Si vis pacem, para bellum” - if you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: Justaham
“When a white guy shoots up a post office, they call that going postal,” said Victor Benjamin II, 30, a former member of the Army. “But when a Muslim does it, they call it jihad.

The difference dear Victor is that white guys typically don't shout out "Praise Jesus" while they are gunning down their fellow citizens.

45 posted on 11/07/2009 8:52:59 AM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

PLUS the key to all of this is that the KorAn FORBIDS a Muslim from supporting ,assisting etc, anyone that fights and possibly kills Muslims. WHAT ABOUT THAT DOES THE MEDIA NOT UNDERSTAND.


46 posted on 11/07/2009 8:53:13 AM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: peeps36

Wait until some judge rules that Jihad comes under the protection of the 1st Amendment. You can be assured that this concept has been studied by CAIR and the ACLU for years.


47 posted on 11/07/2009 8:53:38 AM PST by 353FMG (Save the Planet -- Eliminate Socialism)
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To: Justaham

Normally when “White guys go postal” they aren’t heard yelling “Allah AkBar”
BTW I am sick of the politically correct journalists saying he yelled “God is Great” when he didn’t. They think it might sound less evil if they translate it into English?


48 posted on 11/07/2009 8:56:55 AM PST by ODDITHER (HAT)
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To: Justaham

the military should examine the policies that might have caused him to snap

I agree. We should examine the policies of islam and we will see why he did this.


49 posted on 11/07/2009 8:57:01 AM PST by rfreedom4u (Semper Fi, Mac!)
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To: expatguy

The Muslim communties’ silence in not outright condemning any act like this done even on the thinnest possiblility of being religiously motivated is deafening. Unless and until that community proactively preaches against these acts their “protestations” are meaningless. Notice that in all of their protestations, they never once say that anyone in their community acting this way is in fact condemned to hell. Their condemnations are nothing more than thinly veiled whinings about how others react negatively to these events. In my mind, that is the same as approval. Their choice is easy. Actively clean out your own house, or get out of ours. Now.


50 posted on 11/07/2009 8:57:01 AM PST by rickomatic
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