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Has Affordable, Efficient Rooftop Wind Power Arrived?
Popular Mechanics ^ | June 17, 2009 | Tyghe Trimble

Posted on 10/16/2009 9:57:31 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin

Has Affordable, Efficient Rooftop Wind Power Arrived? Of the 10,500 small wind turbines installed last year, 99 percent were attached to giant constructed towers in rural areas. Rooftop wind turbines—constituting 1 percent of the market—have a huge potential in urban and suburban areas. But the products, which are heavy, noisy and require permanently attaching wind-catching blades to homes, have not yet caught on. One inventor thinks his unique turbine is just what the market is looking for. Are rooftop turbines set to take off?

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: energy; turbine; wind; windpower
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"Imad Mahawili, a chemical engineer and long-time wind energy consultant, has designed a unique wind turbine that he says solves the biggest problems associated with rooftop systems. His rig is a wind turbine turned inside-out—the gear system typically sitting in the center of the blades has been removed and the whole thing is enclosed in a wheel lined with magnets. The result is a 95-pound system with 20 replaceable blades that can generate power with even 2-mph winds."

Interesting article. Some day may even be feasible.

1 posted on 10/16/2009 9:57:31 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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"...making the payback period just under 20 years on a $4500 panel. (The government rebate would lower the payback period to about 14 years..."

That's the flaw in the deal. I'd love to have wind power, but plugging into the grid remains the cheapest source.

2 posted on 10/16/2009 10:00:49 AM PDT by frankenMonkey ("Natural Born Citizen" - US Constitution, 1787; "Words have meaning" - Barack Obama, 2009)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Maybe just add heat pumps here in NY....to replace regular heat source during severe temps.


3 posted on 10/16/2009 10:01:18 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

If you’re talking about the heat pumps used to heat houses in the South. They don’t work in the real cold of northern climates.

Geothermal systems do help.


4 posted on 10/16/2009 10:08:03 AM PDT by MediaMole
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To: frankenMonkey

It only makes sense if you have no electricty now. The thing I like about this is it is a lot quieter. I have a freind who has one with conventenal blades and it’s noisy.


5 posted on 10/16/2009 10:10:32 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Waste and fraud are synonymous with gov't spending)
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To: Sacajaweau

How does one re-shingle their roof with solar panels, windmills, and hot water panels installed on the roof? Just a question. Average roof is re-shingled every 10 years. Does this mean you would incurr re-installation costs for all systems mounted on your roof? Will the systems installed today be continually supported with spares for the next 10 to 20 years? Lets be real here folks.


6 posted on 10/16/2009 10:11:02 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Price Per Watt /// $2.25 per watt without installations (where costs vary). Expect that price to roughly double with installation. With the 30 percent federal tax credit, the price works out to about $1.58 per watt without installation. This price reflects only one year of use. Given five years without repair costs, the price drops to 22.5 cents per watt, just roughly double the current national average.


7 posted on 10/16/2009 10:11:50 AM PDT by tje
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Interesting, here in NM I have plenty of wind and sun. I’d like enough independant capability to power my well pump. That’s the only thing I don’t have backup for when the power goes down.


8 posted on 10/16/2009 10:12:39 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: frankenMonkey
"...making the payback period just under 20 years on a $4500 panel. (The government rebate would lower the payback period to about 14 years..."

Keep in mind that any maintenance you do to the unit will extend that payback period.

There are very few mechanical devices that will function flawlessly for 20 years.

9 posted on 10/16/2009 10:21:27 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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...my well pump. That’s the only thing I don’t have backup for when the power goes down.

I have an idea...

10 posted on 10/16/2009 10:23:48 AM PDT by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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To: MediaMole

I kinda noted that...I live in NY but lived in Va for a year. A friend here in NY had a heat pump plus...


11 posted on 10/16/2009 10:24:17 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Damifino

Will it work on one 350’ deep?


12 posted on 10/16/2009 10:27:09 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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I had a wind generator, it was a bust....firstly there is a need for a wind....at lower levels, say at the roof top, the wind is greatly attenuated, variable in direction, and most situations there is no wind....the wind-generator needs to installed high above the ground free any turbulence generated by trees etc etc....then there is the noise of the blades....NIMBY
13 posted on 10/16/2009 10:29:12 AM PDT by thinking
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To: Sacajaweau

If you live on a hill, a turbine is a good idea. If you live low, like I do, there’s no wind at roof level most of the time. Too many trees. Same with solar panels. At this point, the cost/benefit ratio is too high.


14 posted on 10/16/2009 10:29:12 AM PDT by rstrahan
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To: Tijeras_Slim

“Will it work on one 350’ deep?”

Lol Work being the key word here.


15 posted on 10/16/2009 10:29:51 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Waste and fraud are synonymous with gov't spending)
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To: MediaMole

Our geothermal heats and cools the house, heats the floor in the main level and is 300 percent efficient. Not cheap going in but was paid for (vs. traditional system) in about four years.


16 posted on 10/16/2009 10:39:21 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: thinking

I was at my friends house and we were talking and all of a sudden I hear this loud noise. I asked “whats that”. He says “Oh thats the windmill”. I can’t imagine them in an urban or even suburban setting.


17 posted on 10/16/2009 10:40:55 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Waste and fraud are synonymous with gov't spending)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Imagine you have one of these generators up on a tower, ten feet or 50 feet or some distance above your house. Imagine the thing breaks down.


18 posted on 10/16/2009 11:02:38 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

There is virtually no power available in a 1 mph wind so the claims of low startup speed don’t have any practical implication. The power available is proportional to the cube of the wind velocity. So an 8 mph wind speed contains four thousand times as much power per unit area than a 1 mph wind speed. If the system produces 200 watts at 8mph it will create just milliwatts at 1 mph, enough maybe to light a couple of LEDs.

The quiet aspect is significant though. It has been known for a long time that more blades lead to slower turning and quieter operation. Moving the alternator out to the periphery to obviate the need for “gearing up” is a clever trick.

But this could only work for very small turbines. Putting all those magnets at the periphery of a large turbine would lead to stress failures flinging magnets out at high velocity.

So this is probably no more than a clever curiosity with limited commercial application.


19 posted on 10/16/2009 11:04:45 AM PDT by drangundsturm
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

There is virtually no power available in a 1 mph wind so the claims of low startup speed don’t have any practical implication. The power available is proportional to the cube of the wind velocity. So an 8 mph wind speed contains four thousand times as much power per unit area than a 1 mph wind speed. If the system produces 200 watts at 8mph it will create just milliwatts at 1 mph, enough maybe to light a couple of LEDs.

The quiet aspect is significant though. It has been known for a long time that more blades lead to slower turning and quieter operation. Moving the alternator out to the periphery to obviate the need for “gearing up” is a clever trick.

But this could only work for very small turbines. Putting all those magnets at the periphery of a large turbine would lead to stress failures flinging magnets out at high velocity.

So this is probably no more than a clever curiosity with limited commercial application.


20 posted on 10/16/2009 11:06:01 AM PDT by drangundsturm
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