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Why was the 1918 Flu Dug up and Revived?
The New York Times ^ | January, 29, 2006 | Jamie Shreeve

Posted on 08/28/2009 7:11:34 AM PDT by opentalk

I believe that this was research that should not have been performed," says Richard Ebright, a Howard Hughes Medical Institute investigator at Rutgers University. "If this virus was to be accidentally or intentionally released, it is virtually certain that there would be greater lethality than from seasonal influenza, and quite possible that the threat of pandemic that is in the news daily would become a reality."

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: cdc; flu; flu1918; h1n1; healt; influenza; swineflu; vacination
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The resurrection of the 1918 influenza virus was a team effort engaging the resources of the C.D.C. in Atlanta, an obscure military pathology lab outside Washington, D.C., an esteemed group of influenza experts at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York and one elderly Swede. Though the story has been told before, it is impossible not to begin with the Swede. In 1950, Johan Hultin, then a 25-year-old graduate student at the University of Iowa, was searching for a Ph.D. topic when he heard a visiting virologist say that the only way to solve the mystery of the 1918 pandemic would be to recover the virus from a victim who had been buried in permafrost. Hultin suddenly had a topic.

Skip to next paragraph Complete Coverage: Influenza After some planning, he found what seemed like an ideal site in the remote settlement of Brevig Mission on Seward Peninsula in Alaska. In a mere five days in November 1918, 72 of the 80 residents of Brevig died and were later buried in a mass grave. Hultin arrived there alone, obtained permission to dig up the grave and after two days of hacking through frozen ground came across the preserved body of a little girl in a blue dress, red ribbons in her hair. He and some colleagues eventually found four more bodies and cut out samples of their pocked and peppered lungs, keeping them frozen with dry ice exuded from fire extinguishers.

1 posted on 08/28/2009 7:11:34 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

Well, he got his degree.


2 posted on 08/28/2009 7:12:58 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: opentalk
Practice for the manufacture of the current swine flu?
3 posted on 08/28/2009 7:13:55 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit The law will be followed, dammit!)
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To: opentalk

Cue cartoon evil laughter from Dr. Emanuel.


4 posted on 08/28/2009 7:19:44 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("It (Gov't) can't make you happier, healthier, wealthier, and wise" - Sarah Palin 07/26)
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To: opentalk

How wondrous these micro-Promethei


5 posted on 08/28/2009 7:24:47 AM PDT by fortunate sun (Fight the marxist occupation of America. Support the Healthcare Insurrection.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Cue cartoon evil laughter from Dr. Emanuel.

Y'know... the following image fits Dr. Zeke perfectly. See, that weird hairline cut that everyone thought was an "M" is really a sideways "E".


6 posted on 08/28/2009 7:31:24 AM PDT by Charles Martel (NRA Lifetime Member since 1984; TSRA rookie)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

The 1st attempt did not work, was actually revived in 1997
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_4724.shtml


7 posted on 08/28/2009 7:32:45 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

Hmmmmm, to have millions of deaths on his conscience. He gets to share a space with Hitler when his time comes.


8 posted on 08/28/2009 7:33:27 AM PDT by Lx
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To: Lx

I suppose it makes no sense to develop vaccines from it then does it? Nor to learn more about these things to prevent them in the future?


9 posted on 08/28/2009 7:38:02 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: opentalk

To purge....


10 posted on 08/28/2009 7:39:31 AM PDT by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: opentalk
"Why was the 1918 Flu Dug up and Revived?"

Because revolutionary groups have been digging up graves in the arctic circle since the at least 70's and The US government (Which arrogantly believed this was beyond the expertise of such groups) finally noticed?

Only following a forensics trail obscured that long ago to neutralize the parties involved ain't happening?

Could it be that some incompetence can't be mitigated?

11 posted on 08/28/2009 7:44:12 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: opentalk

I wonder if the Muzzies have a couple of scientists on their payroll and this is the beginning of a biowarfare attack.


12 posted on 08/28/2009 8:14:39 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: opentalk

Cigarette Smoking Man.


13 posted on 08/28/2009 8:24:48 AM PDT by 50sDad (The Left cannot understand life is not in a test tube. Raise taxes, & jobs go away.)
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To: opentalk

Pretty hot topic in the scientific community at the time, IIRC. The upshot was that whether we do it or not, those bodies are out there anyway. It’s a tough call - there was a drive to destroy what were thought to be (at the time) the last laboratory samples of the smallpox virus so that we could call that disease truly extinct. Same problem.


14 posted on 08/28/2009 8:30:26 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; Mother Abigail; EBH; Dog Gone; ...

Ping...


15 posted on 08/28/2009 8:36:29 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: opentalk
They wanted to study it and try to determine why it was such a destructive bug.

It turns out that variant of the flu causes cytokine storms; basically, it causes your immune system to go so wild that the results are often fatal in young and otherwise healthy individuals.

Oh, wait. I'm sorry. This is a flu thread. I was presenting facts instead of hyperbole. Let me try again.

They dug it up so they could make a new flu superbug. They wanted to do this so the pharm companies could sell lots of a vaccine that is designed to kill you dead as a doornail. If your kid gets the vaccine, you should immediately cut off his arm to save him. Those evil pharmaceutical companies. We should burn them all to the ground, paint ourselves in the ashes, and dance around the smoldering remains.

There, now my response will fit better in this flu thread.
16 posted on 08/28/2009 8:42:38 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: opentalk

“Why was the 1918 Flu Dug up and Revived?” For the very good reason that today we are just as vulnerable to influenza of all kinds as we were then.

This is the same reason the FBI interrogates and profiles serial killers. Certainly, a serial killer in prison is still very dangerous. But he can also help us narrow down how other serial killers operate, so we can catch them sooner and save lives. But worrying that by paying attention to the imprisoned serial killer, he might somehow get away to kill again, is pretty dumb.

And influenza is far, far deadlier than the worst serial killer who ever lived.

The Spanish flu of 1918 was a killer flu, and a bad one. But severe flus happen periodically. A “normal” flu kills about 36,000 Americans, and a “severe” flu kills about 100,000 Americans. Spanish flu killed between 200,000 and 2,000,000 Americans.

But we are late for the next severe flu. Ever since the 1970s, scientists and doctors have been expecting a very bad killer flu. In 1968, the Hong Kong flu was severe, but didn’t become the killer that it could have. In 1976, a different Swine flu threatened the US, but turned less harmful just before it reached us. It might have killed 150,000 had it remained a killer.

But instead, the public just assumed that Gerald Ford was a fool, and that the vaccine was toxic, because it killed more people than the flu.

Right now, however, there is a flu on the horizon, H5N1 Avian flu, that could be the worst plague the world has ever known. Far deadlier than the Black Plague of the 14th and 17th Centuries, that wiped out a third of the people of Europe.

20 million Americans could die, and even with every US drug company working around the clock, we are still pretty helpless before this influenza.

And this is why they dug up human remains of victims of the Spanish flu of 1918. For with it they have found clues as to why it was so very deadly.

And the clock is running. Already there was a worry that “Town Zero” had happened in Indonesia. “Town Zero” is the name given to the place where H5N1 first emerges as easy to transmit between people. When “Town Zero” happens, from just a few weeks to a few months, every corner of the world will be attacked by Avian flu.

And Avian flu H5N1 kills 60% of the people it infects. With treatment.

This is why they dug up the Spanish flu. And I will add that the Swine flu they dug up is *not* the same Swine flu that is currently going around. They are very different.


17 posted on 08/28/2009 9:00:19 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: mysterio
They wanted to study it and try to determine why it was such a destructive bug.

You're right. Mad evil scientists are much more common in Hollywood than in real life. The young scientist who dug up the grave to get the virus was trying to head off the next storm - not cause it.

18 posted on 08/28/2009 9:01:08 AM PDT by GOPJ (Giving money to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys-ORourke)
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To: mysterio
Those evil pharmaceutical companies.

As a person that works at a medical device company that delivers pharmaceuticals, it is difficult to read the wild accusations that permeate these flu threads.

Especially the ones dealing with immunizations. They don't realize that people at these corporations are working to help people, not kill them.

19 posted on 08/28/2009 11:32:26 AM PDT by toast
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” suppose it makes no sense to develop vaccines from it then does it? Nor to learn more about these things to prevent them in the future?”

Shhhh. Don’t confuse the luddites.


20 posted on 08/28/2009 11:51:50 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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