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Benefits denied to girl conceived with dead father's sperm
latimes ^ | June 18, 2009 | Nicole Santa Cruz

Posted on 06/20/2009 4:56:55 AM PDT by JoeProBono

A U.S. appeals court says the Los Angeles 10-year-old is not entitled to Social Security survivor payments because of California inheritance law and lack of evidence the father gave consent. A 10-year-old Los Angeles girl conceived with her dead father's frozen sperm is not entitled to his Social Security benefits, a federal appeals court panel has ruled.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Wednesday upheld a lower-court ruling that the child, Brandalynn Vernoff, was ineligible for the federal survivor payments under California law, which considers factors in addition to biology in determining inheritance rights. Brandalynn's father, Bruce Vernoff, died accidentally in July 1995.

Thirty hours after his death, his wife, Gabriela Vernoff, had a doctor extract his sperm and freeze it. She was impregnated with it in 1998 and gave birth to Brandalynn in 1999, said Wally Vernoff, Bruce Vernoff's father and an attorney representing the widow. She sought survivor benefits for her daughter from the Social Security Administration, but was rejected. Her claim was also turned away in U.S. District Court.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: sperm

Brandalynn Vernoff (KTLA-TV)

1 posted on 06/20/2009 4:56:56 AM PDT by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

Very cute little girl.

Strange circumstances-

Brandalynn’s father, Bruce Vernoff, died accidentally in July 1995. Thirty hours after his death, his wife, Gabriela Vernoff, had a doctor extract his sperm and freeze it. She was impregnated with it in 1998 and gave birth to Brandalynn in 1999.


2 posted on 06/20/2009 5:00:37 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, Now a State, Still Texas)
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To: JoeProBono

Yeah, but the government falls all over itself to give bennies to illegal aliens!


3 posted on 06/20/2009 5:06:30 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Sarah Palin...Unleashing the Fury of the Castrated Left!")
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To: JoeProBono
Thirty hours after his death, his wife, Gabriela Vernoff, had a doctor extract his sperm and freeze it.

I always try to learn one new thing or fact a day-and now I have met my quota for today even before the first cup of coffee is finished!!

I had no idea it could stay viable for that long after one assumed room temperature!

4 posted on 06/20/2009 5:56:15 AM PDT by ozark hilljilly (Does this tagline make me look like a domestic terrorist?)
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To: JoeProBono

Yet another court, in a similar case, ruled that a child conceived around 20 years after the father’s death COULD lay claim to and inherit his estate! LOL. I think it was in California.


5 posted on 06/20/2009 6:07:40 AM PDT by 2harddrive (then)
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To: JoeProBono
Typical of the 9th Circus, biological facts are not their strongest suite.

Now if that mother had wanted to kill the little girl, that'd been OK by them I am sure.

6 posted on 06/20/2009 6:19:45 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: 2harddrive
"Yet another court, in a similar case, ruled that a child conceived around 20 years after the father’s death COULD lay claim to and inherit his estate! LOL. I think it was in California."

My first reaction was that the child should be entitled. After all - why would the father have his sperm frozen!!

But, as I read further - the father did NOT do this.. the mother did.

In the case you cite - it's obvious the father did intend on his sperm being used to father a chlld, since he had his sperm frozen 20 years earlier.

It doesn't appear to me that these cases are similar.

7 posted on 06/20/2009 6:22:32 AM PDT by LADY J
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To: JoeProBono

Cute kid. But why did the mother choose to have a child that she couldn’t support? It’s not like it was a wild night out with hubby or anything. I smell deliberate effort to get govt goodies.


8 posted on 06/20/2009 7:40:25 AM PDT by pepperdog (As Israel goes, so goes America!)
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So by this logic - If I have a one night stand that results in a child, it’s not my problem because I didn’t intend it?

I thought the rule was: you have a child, you own it. Works or me, but it does imply that fortune follows genetics. I’m thinking that if I father a child, willing or no, it’s my kid and my kid gets my stuff.

I’m interested in hearing your argument.


9 posted on 06/20/2009 8:02:53 AM PDT by hurrrrr
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To: hurrrrr
"So by this logic - If I have a one night stand that results in a child, it’s not my problem because I didn’t intend it?

I thought the rule was: you have a child, you own it. Works or me, but it does imply that fortune follows genetics. I’m thinking that if I father a child, willing or no, it’s my kid and my kid gets my stuff.

I’m interested in hearing your argument"

Simple!! You can't give consent, have any one night stands or father a child, by your own choice, when you're dead.

10 posted on 06/20/2009 8:07:28 AM PDT by LADY J
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To: JoeProBono

It seems very simple to me why they rejected it, or at least why they SHOULD have rejected it. He was dead. Any child conceived after the fathers death really can’t be his, or at least should not receive “survivior’s benefits” because the kid is not a true “survivor” of the parent.


11 posted on 06/20/2009 8:08:09 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: Travis T. OJustice
"should not receive “survivior’s benefits” because the kid is not a true “survivor” of the parent."

Good point.

12 posted on 06/20/2009 8:09:40 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: hurrrrr

If you have a one night stand, you are getting into it with the knowledge that a child might results and you have weighted that risk and decided to take that risk.

This man was dead, so he had no consent in the issue at all.


13 posted on 06/20/2009 10:18:15 AM PDT by Tamar1973 (Riding the Korean Wave, one Bae Yong Joon drama at a time!)
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To: Travis T. OJustice; JoeProBono
Hmmm ~ somebody else wants to have the civil law supersede the the natural law.

Biological children are biological children irrespective of the death of the parent. DNA doesn't care how you set your clocks.

14 posted on 06/20/2009 2:28:18 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Travis T. OJustice; JoeProBono
BTW, doesn't matter how many times the state legislature redefines pi ( π ) it's still gonna' come in around 3.14159....... etc.
15 posted on 06/20/2009 2:30:37 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Travis T. OJustice; JoeProBono

The whole issue turns on the question of eligibility of the “widow” ~ and does she care for a child under 16. Notice that they have special rules for “divorced” widows ~ which suggests that as far as Social Security is concerned the “eligibility clock” continues on long after the “death of the marriage”. The intent of the rule writers is clear ~ the lawyer who handled this case should have given me a call first ~ he’d had the 9th Circus standing on their heads. I ain’t even started on this stuff ~ http://www.ssa.gov/ww&os2.htm


16 posted on 06/20/2009 2:36:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
(BTW as an aside - I have always been fascinated by your take on the Anthrax Letters.)
17 posted on 06/20/2009 2:47:55 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono
Good point.

I second that. Survivor is the key word.

18 posted on 06/20/2009 10:08:29 PM PDT by IIntense
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