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State Assembly Passes Ammunition Bill
rimoftheworld. ^ | Monday, June 15, 2009 | Dave Henderson

Posted on 06/18/2009 6:05:15 PM PDT by JoeProBono

Sacramento, CA - The State Assembly has passed Assembly Bill 962, by a vote of 42-31. AB 962 now heads to the Senate, where it has been assigned to the Senate Public Safety Committee. The bill, sponsored by Assemblyman Kevin de Leon (D-Los Angeles), would make it a crime to privately transfer more than 50 rounds of ammunition per month.Ammunition retailers would have to be licensed, and would be required to store ammunition in such a manner that it would be inaccessible to purchasers.

The bill would also require purchasers submit to fingerprinting, which would be submitted to the Department of Justice. Additionally, mail order ammunition sales would be prohibited. The bill would essentially criminalize the transfer of one box of ammunition to even a family member or friend, unless you are registered as a "handgun ammunition vendor" in the Department of Justice's database.

Local Assemblymen Anthony Adams (R-Hesperia), Paul Cook (R-Yucca Valley) and Bill Emmerson (R-Redlands) voted against AB 962.


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1 posted on 06/18/2009 6:05:15 PM PDT by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

No one asked me for advice but if Californians can’t vote out the tyrants, move to a redder state. The place is lost, let it sink and die from advanced incurable socialism.


2 posted on 06/18/2009 6:07:55 PM PDT by muir_redwoods ( Hey, remember the last head of state who dictated the design of automobiles?)
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To: JoeProBono
Scumbags never sleep.

The part about making sure that customers can't access the ammo would force retailers to store the ammo either in locked cases or behind the counter, greatly reducing the supply they could stock, thus cranking up the price.

Oh, well. It'll just create another black market and another class of law-abiding “criminals.”

3 posted on 06/18/2009 6:09:33 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (The most dangerous fascists are those with a warm smile and soothing voice.)
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To: JoeProBono

Dear “Kal-if-forn-e-a”

U be broke and have udder stuf to worree aboot. U know it be challenged in coort and u lose (wich costs monee).

Da Cracker-Rapper has spoken.


4 posted on 06/18/2009 6:09:40 PM PDT by ak267
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To: JoeProBono

Someone should Transfer 42 Congressmen, from Sacramento to the Streets.


5 posted on 06/18/2009 6:10:01 PM PDT by 4Speed
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To: JoeProBono

Will this mean more ammo for Free America?


6 posted on 06/18/2009 6:10:06 PM PDT by Liberty Ship ("Lord, make me fast and accurate.")
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To: JoeProBono

California ought to secede and establish their own socialist nation. This is preposterous.


7 posted on 06/18/2009 6:11:04 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: JoeProBono

good thing I don’t live in CA, I think I just broke their law today!


8 posted on 06/18/2009 6:12:24 PM PDT by joesjane (The strength of the pack is the wolf - Rudyard Kipling)
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To: PubliusMM

I don’t know if this has ever been discussed. Can a state be expelled from the Union?


9 posted on 06/18/2009 6:13:02 PM PDT by Liberty Ship ("Lord, make me fast and accurate.")
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To: JoeProBono

Wow! These people are broke and this is what they are worried about?


10 posted on 06/18/2009 6:13:50 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: JoeProBono

If I was a gun manufacturer, I would simply stop shipping to the police departments.


11 posted on 06/18/2009 6:18:19 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
black market

guess that's what it will come to.

Are we going to be reduced to machete's and voodoo like Kenya?

12 posted on 06/18/2009 6:20:53 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (The plan... 0 in power for life. At least that's what they told him.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

>> Oh, well. It’ll just create another black market and another class of law-abiding “criminals.”

Think of the lives it will save, though — as true criminals are captured in droves as they submit to fingerprinting when they buy their drive-by-shooting ammo.

Because you *know* that the *real* criminals will follow this law to the letter.

Won’t they?


13 posted on 06/18/2009 6:25:38 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: Liberty Ship

I’ve got to get out of this state.


14 posted on 06/18/2009 6:26:08 PM PDT by Bobkk47
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To: Liberty Ship

The sad thing is, it’s just a few counties that make up the bulk of the gun-hating Marxists. Most of the state by area, is conservative. If we could just expel those few counties from the Union . . .


15 posted on 06/18/2009 6:29:50 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: Jim Robinson; NormsRevenge; calcowgirl; doug from upland; SierraWasp; ElkGroveDan

California is heading down the toilet, and they’re spending their time on this?


16 posted on 06/18/2009 6:34:13 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (The McCain/Palin ticket was like a Kangaroo, stronger on the bottom than at the top)
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To: JoeProBono

I have been on your beaches. I have seen many scenic views and I love your weather, but California, you’re not worth it. You’re not salvageable, you have let it go to far.

I think you folks should leave, just don’t move into my neighborhood and try to change it, because deep don’t inside, I am not a nice man.


17 posted on 06/18/2009 6:37:07 PM PDT by Gator113 (I live in "one of the largest Muslim countries in the world." Imam Obama told me so.)
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To: muir_redwoods

From the bill

3) Commencing July 1, 2010, a vendor shall not sell or otherwise
transfer ownership of any handgun ammunition without at the time of
delivery legibly recording the following information on a form that
is in a format to be prescribed by the department:
(A) The date of the sale or other transaction.
(B) The purchaser’s or transferee’s driver’s license or other
identification number and the state in which it was issued.
(C) The brand, type, and amount of ammunition sold or otherwise
transferred.
(D) The purchaser’s or transferee’s signature.
(E) The name of the salesperson who processed the sale or other
transaction.
(F) The right thumbprint of the purchaser or transferee on the
above form.
(G) The purchaser’s or transferee’s full residential address and
telephone number.
(H) The purchaser’s or transferee’s date of birth.
(4) Commencing July 1, 2010, the records required by this section
shall be maintained on the premises of the vendor for a period of not
less than five years from the date of the recorded transfer.


18 posted on 06/18/2009 6:38:50 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: JoeProBono

But the @$$holes can’t pass a balanced budget.


19 posted on 06/18/2009 6:39:09 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: JoeProBono
The bill, sponsored by Assemblyman Kevin de Leon (D-Los Angeles), would make it a crime to privately transfer more than 50 rounds of ammunition per month.

Yeah, that's really gonna stop a drug dealer or a gang-banger who only needs a few rounds to commit murder and mayhem.

20 posted on 06/18/2009 6:46:53 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Sounds like a good money making opportunity to me.

Anybody know of an acre or two of land just across the border into Arizona or Nevada?

That’s what happens here in TX when a county is “dry”.


21 posted on 06/18/2009 6:58:24 PM PDT by biff
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To: biff

Good idea but they will just outlaw that too.
Like eggs

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2263766/posts


22 posted on 06/18/2009 7:04:29 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: JoeProBono

“..would make it a crime to privately transfer more than 50 rounds of ammunition per month.”

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Buy your ammo from the criminals — they will transport a much larger quantity of ammo per month.


23 posted on 06/18/2009 7:06:40 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: JoeProBono
thank God for Tom Burcynsk... an old friend and inventor of the Hydra-Shok.
24 posted on 06/18/2009 7:09:58 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - Obama is basically Jim Jones with a teleprompter)
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To: JoeProBono; Myrddin

Man, I’m glad I left Cali for a free state.


25 posted on 06/18/2009 7:15:56 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: biff
Sounds like a good money making opportunity to me.

Anybody know of an acre or two of land just across the border into Arizona or Nevada?

A Capitalist speaks.

Prime locations:

Exit 1, Interstate 10, Arizona

Exit 2, Interstate 8, Yuma, Arizona

26 posted on 06/18/2009 7:26:07 PM PDT by TYVets
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To: JoeProBono
California is broke and this is what these asshats are concerning themselves with? Lets see how this works out when the population starts moving away from California. WTF are they going to do then?...make it illegal to move?
27 posted on 06/18/2009 7:27:57 PM PDT by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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To: Travis McGee
i'm up to the ambush after sighting in the M-16's...
28 posted on 06/18/2009 7:32:20 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - Obama is basically Jim Jones with a teleprompter)
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To: JoeProBono

Get ‘em while they’re legal!


29 posted on 06/18/2009 7:33:17 PM PDT by airborne (Congratulations to the Stanley Cup Champions! PITTSBURGH PENGUINS!!!)
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To: JoeProBono

Best reason I have seen yet why I will never live again in California.

“If you cannot defend yourself, you become a slave”.


30 posted on 06/18/2009 7:39:30 PM PDT by bestintxas
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Used to get so bad here dry counties would put undercover cops in the parking lots of booze joints just across the county line taking license plate numbers and car descriptions, radioing them to compadres that would stop the offenders on the way home. Crazy, but once again was nothing but a revenue generator.


31 posted on 06/18/2009 8:00:11 PM PDT by biff
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To: JoeProBono

Amazingly totalitarian.


32 posted on 06/18/2009 8:15:55 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: hiredhand
WTF are they going to do then?...make it illegal to move?

Don't kid yourself that they won't. NJ charges an exit tax if you sell your property and move out of state.

33 posted on 06/18/2009 8:18:52 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: TigersEye
Don't kid yourself that they won't. NJ charges an exit tax if you sell your property and move out of state.

I think in time...numbered in months perhaps... it will be a moot point. People will simply leave because there won't be jobs and our currency will be worthless. At that point, they can toss what little they have into a bag, and start walking and just abandon whatever they had there....especially in population centers. It's not going to matter.
34 posted on 06/18/2009 8:27:14 PM PDT by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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To: muir_redwoods

Buy stock in Lyman, RCBS and Dillion Precision.


35 posted on 06/18/2009 8:32:55 PM PDT by GunsAndBibles (God save Calif. - 'cause it's gonna take a miracle.)
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To: hiredhand

I’m afraid you may very well be right.


36 posted on 06/18/2009 8:39:20 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: muir_redwoods

Wow, this is really under the radar. I just went to the Sacramento Bee website, couldn’t find a word about it there. Not entirely surprising though.
Wonder if our action-hero governor will sign it?


37 posted on 06/18/2009 8:40:31 PM PDT by GunsAndBibles (God save Calif. - 'cause it's gonna take a miracle.)
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To: biff
Anybody know of an acre or two of land just across the border into Arizona or Nevada?

That’s what happens here in TX when a county is “dry”.

I was thinking more of fireworks stands just outside of areas where sales are prohibited, but the liquor store is another fine example.

38 posted on 06/18/2009 9:11:28 PM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: Clintonfatigued

You know... Some laws are so incredibly stupid as to be unenforceable, especially when sensible citizens know and refuse to to surrender their inalienable, constitutional RIGHTS!!!


39 posted on 06/18/2009 9:26:46 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Galloping suffocating American Socialism stinks like BO!!!)
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To: GunsAndBibles
The thing is, it hasn't passed the senate yet. The assembly is like the house of Reps in the fed gov. So it has come out of assembly and must pass the Senate, the real battle begins now. He** we already got it cut down from all ammo and reloading components to handgun ammo and I think we will beat it in the house, and the California NRA will file a law suit against it if it does pass. It is clearly unconstitutional. They did this once before with handgun ammo back in the 70s or 80s, the only difference was you didn't have to give a thumbprint. It didn't last long and this one won't either.

So, no, we are not lost yet and this crap is just a little deeper hole that the dimwits and RINOs have dug for themselves. Add it to the economy blunders and it looks bad for incumbents.

40 posted on 06/18/2009 9:28:04 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Travis McGee
I left CA for a free state. I'm driving back to San Diego on Sunday because I don't have any contracts that can be worked from my home office. I'm expecting to have that fixed by October, but that puts me in San Diego all summer. I'm not taking any of my firearms back into CA. Given all the drug cartel crap that is going on, I'm not really happy about returning to San Diego without adequate armament. Law enforcement is just there to collect the bodies.
41 posted on 06/18/2009 9:38:31 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: JoeProBono
Sacramento, CA - The State Assembly has passed Assembly Bill 962, by a vote of 42-31. AB 962 now heads to the Senate, where it has been assigned to the Senate Public Safety Committee. The bill, sponsored by Assemblyman Kevin de Leon (D-Los Angeles), would make it a crime to privately transfer more than 50 rounds of ammunition per month.

Oh I am so looking forward to breaking this law with my brothers in California!!!!!

42 posted on 06/18/2009 9:41:33 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Out of gas become a pill box, Out of ammo become a bunker, Out of hope become a hero.)
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To: Myrddin

Taking one of your bikes, at least? Good luck there. I share your misgivings about visiting CA at this time for any number of reasons.


43 posted on 06/18/2009 9:43:07 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: steve86
Taking one of your bikes, at least? Good luck there. I share your misgivings about visiting CA at this time for any number of reasons.

Yes. I put a hitch on the Mercury Mariner Hybrid this morning. I have a single rail carrier coming into the Yamaha shop at noon tomorrow. It can carry 400 lbs. While I would love to have the DR650SE, it's a lot of bike to load by myself at 324 lbs dry. I'm going to take the Yamaha XT250 at 280 lbs. I can nearly lift the bike off the ground without ramp. I'm disappointed that I have to leave just as the weather is warming up. I'll really miss the Roadliner. No touring this year. The snow will be falling before I can get home to enjoy it. The Roadliner is 750 lbs. It would take a real trailer and I would have to take the F150 4x4 in place of the Mariner due to the 1000 lb towing limit of the Hybrid drive train. That's a non-starter due to the 60 mile round trip to work. That will be done in the Mariner. The F150 only gets 18 MPG vs 27+ in the Mariner.

Are things drying out enough in your area to do some off road riding? We've had thunderstorms every day for weeks. The snow is gone, but the soil is still too muddy. There's no way I'm going to risk riding a ridge top with cloud to ground lightning. The ridges have been quite a light show for weeks. I also wanted to take the bikes up to the sand dunes in St. Anthony this summer. That will have to be deferred as well.

44 posted on 06/18/2009 10:01:47 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: JoeProBono
Very nice, but not what's needed in this case.

Something more like this:

Which "eats" these:

(That's AF Chief Master Sergeant Tanya Breed doing the honors with the Barrett)

45 posted on 06/18/2009 10:11:59 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
(That's AF Chief Master Sergeant Tanya Breed doing the honors with the Barrett)

Actually that's a replacement image. :)

46 posted on 06/18/2009 10:14:43 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: JoeProBono; Kibosher

Coming to your state soon bump.


47 posted on 06/19/2009 3:35:12 AM PDT by panaxanax (Our Founding Fathers: The first American anti-government group.)
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To: Chode

You’re getting to the fun parts!


48 posted on 06/19/2009 5:46:43 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Myrddin

It’s been dry here. The rains seemed to start right about at the Idaho stateline. Someone I know about 55 miles north of Boise previously owned some alpine land. Now it is more like swamp.

Don’t buy any property while in California — too early yet.


49 posted on 06/19/2009 8:41:53 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: JoeProBono

Somebody want to explain to me again how ONLY a little part of Kali is blue and the rest red but this kind of horsesh*t can pass.


50 posted on 06/19/2009 8:52:31 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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