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Stimulus for Who?[Ron Paul]
House.gov ^ | 26 Jan 2009 | Ron Paul

Posted on 01/26/2009 10:17:29 AM PST by BGHater

This week the House is expected to pass an $825 billion economic stimulus package. In reality, this bill is just an escalation of a government-created economic mess. As before, a sense of urgency and impending doom is being used to extract mountains of money from Congress with minimal debate. So much for change. This is déjà vu. We are again being promised that its passage will help employment, help homeowners, help the environment, etc. These promises are worthless. This time around especially, Congress should know better than to pass anything of this magnitude without first reading the fine print. There a many red flags that I have found in this bill.

At least $4 billion is allocated to expanding the police state and the war on drugs through Byrne grants, which even the Bush administration opposed, and the COPS program, both of which are corrupt and largely ineffective programs.

To help Big Brother keep a better eye on us and our children, $20 billion would go towards health information technology, which would create a national system of electronic medical records without adequate privacy protection. These records would instead be subject to the misnamed federal “medical privacy” rule, which allows government and state-favored special interests to see medical records at will. An additional $250 million is allocated for states to nationalize individual student data, expanding Federal control of education and eroding privacy.

$79 billion bails out states that haphazardly expanded their budgets during the bubble years, but refuse to retrench and cut back, as their taxpayers have had to, during recession years.

$200 million expands Americorps. $100 million goes to “faith-and-community” based organizations for social services, which will further insinuate the government into charity and community service. Private charities are much more efficient and effective because they are directly accountable to donors, while public programs tend to get rewarded for failure. With its money, the Federal Government brings its incompetence and its whims, while creating foolish dependence. This is sad to see.

Of course the bill is rife with central planning projects. $4 billion for job training, much of which will be used to direct workers into “green jobs”. $200 million to “encourage” electric cars, $2 billion to support US manufacturers of advanced batteries and battery systems, which is yet another function of government I can’t find in the Constitution. Not to mention $500 million for energy efficient manufacturing demonstration projects, $70 million for a Technology Innovation Program for “research in potentially revolutionary technologies” in which government, not supply and demand, will pick winners and losers. $746 million for afterschool snacks, $6.75 billion for the Department of Commerce, including $1 billion for a census.

This bill delivers an additional debt burden of $6,700 to every American man, woman and child.

There is a lot of stimulus and growth in this bill – that is, of government. Nothing in this bill stimulates the freedom and prosperity of the American people. Politician-directed spending is never as successful as market-driven investment. Instead of passing this bill, Congress should get out of the way by cutting taxes, cutting spending, and reining in the reckless monetary policy of the Federal Reserve.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: economy; editorial; lping; ronpaul; stimulus

1 posted on 01/26/2009 10:17:29 AM PST by BGHater
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To: BGHater

Should be “for whom”


2 posted on 01/26/2009 10:18:32 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective.)
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To: BGHater

Ron Paul probably doesn´t seem so crazy to the FR community right now...


3 posted on 01/26/2009 10:19:22 AM PST by villagerjoel ("Gun control is a prerequisite for genocide." - Unknown)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Thank you.


4 posted on 01/26/2009 10:20:40 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Dissent is Patriotic. Palin 2012!)
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To: BGHater
Why, for his marxist, socialist, liberal friends and enablers of course, that's who.

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IN HIS OWN WORDS

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S UPBRINGING

5 posted on 01/26/2009 10:25:05 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: bamahead

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6 posted on 01/26/2009 10:26:48 AM PST by KoRn
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To: villagerjoel

people were only angry at him for splitting the conservative vote.

just like most people were pro mccain in october, then went back to normal on nov 5th


7 posted on 01/26/2009 10:30:39 AM PST by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: BGHater
Read the Stimulus

has some good links

8 posted on 01/26/2009 10:38:23 AM PST by smokingfrog (T.A.R.P. = Viagra for politicians and you get screwed.)
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To: BGHater

Man, right now, President Paul doen’t sound nearly as bad as it did 3 months ago.


9 posted on 01/26/2009 10:39:06 AM PST by FreedomFerret
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To: villagerjoel
Ron Paul probably doesn´t seem so crazy to the FR community right now...

To those "conservatives" who love an ever expanding big government so long as an (R) lives at 1600, he still looks crazy.

10 posted on 01/26/2009 10:46:27 AM PST by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: FreedomFerret

I never thought President Paul sounded very bad back during the Pub primaries. It sounded better than McLame. Paul is more of a Libertarian than a Republican.


11 posted on 01/26/2009 10:47:36 AM PST by uncommonsense
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To: uncommonsense

Yea, I agree. I’ll take a Libertarian over a MoonBat or RINoonbat any day.


12 posted on 01/26/2009 10:49:35 AM PST by FreedomFerret
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To: BGHater

Certainly not “White Male Construction Workers”... Ask Richard Reich

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opxuUj6vFa4


13 posted on 01/26/2009 11:12:59 AM PST by BillyA (brown chicken brown cow)
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To: Harrius Magnus; mojitojoe; Pelham; mom2twinsn2; LongLiveTheRepublic; ConservativeOrBust; ...

Peter Schiff/Redistribution Watch Ping List. (Washington Spending your past, present and future money!)

More details of the ‘jumpstart economy’ bill. Who are Obama’s economists that are recommending this? Oh, yes, this might not work, but it has to be passed immediately.


14 posted on 01/26/2009 11:26:44 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : " We need swift immediate action on my 10 year government spending plan")
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To: BGHater

As said before, this is the Communists on the march. America is in real trouble and freedom is going South.


15 posted on 01/26/2009 11:26:54 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: BGHater

4 YEARS OF BIG-GOVT SPENDING:

....

SEC. 1107. APPROPRIATIONS FOR INSPECTORS GENERAL.

In addition to funds otherwise made available in this

Act, there are hereby appropriated the following sums to

the specified Offices of Inspector General, to remain avail

able until September 30, 2013, for oversight and audit of
programs, grants, and projects funded under this Act:


16 posted on 01/26/2009 11:30:28 AM PST by WOSG (Oppose the bailouts, boondoggles, big Government -)
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To: sickoflibs
Peter is good, but any investor will need balance. Just something to think about.
Peter Schiff Was Wrong
17 posted on 01/26/2009 11:35:09 AM PST by BGHater (Tyranny is always better organised than freedom)
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To: WOSG
Correction: 4 MORE YEARS OF BIG-GOV'T SPENDING.
18 posted on 01/26/2009 11:37:47 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: smokingfrog

Read the Stimulus is a good site. thanks.
http://readthestimulus.org/


19 posted on 01/26/2009 11:41:12 AM PST by WOSG (Oppose the bailouts, boondoggles, big Government -)
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To: Wolfie

It’s a new bill. This is $800 billion in BRAND NEW spending, ON TOP of what is being spent today. It is NOT ‘more of the same’ it is “MORE deficit spending than we have ever had in US History”.

Obama is leading us to socialism.


20 posted on 01/26/2009 11:45:38 AM PST by WOSG (Oppose the bailouts, boondoggles, big Government -)
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To: WOSG

It’s more of the same. I’m sure some object to it now that a D is in office. So it goes.


21 posted on 01/26/2009 11:48:05 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: BGHater

`I am aware of all those predictions of his that missed the current deflation. He predicted the rest of the world would carry on without us.

But the fundamentals are pointing to commodities long term as he predicts ,we are headed to inflation. Democrats are going to try to create inflation on purpose, printing money, unions, green energy. Add that to increasing world population and industry creating demand in previously poor countries. So his message is relevent to future. But that future may not be this summer.

More-so than investment, I love the conservative messages of his. If I could find an articulate republican with a conservative message relevent to democrats path, I would use them. FR’s read his witty lines and he rings a bell that we havent had in a long time.


22 posted on 01/26/2009 11:48:21 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : " We need swift immediate action on my 10 year government spending plan")
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To: sickoflibs

Well, you might get more messages. He’s thinking about running against Sen. Dodd, 2010.


23 posted on 01/26/2009 11:50:00 AM PST by BGHater (Tyranny is always better organised than freedom)
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To: Wolfie

huh?!? More - yes; the same, no. I must have missed that previous $2 TRILLION deficit and that $4 TRILLION spending in a single year. This is unprecedented and whats worse it is fasttracked so the Democrats will pass that before the American people have time to even think about it.

Oh, and they are using dissent-suppression tricks. The media is bill this as a ‘stimulus’, so you are not ALLOWED to object to it.

This $800 billion bill is to previous big govt boondoggles what the atom bomb was to a shotgun.


24 posted on 01/26/2009 11:53:47 AM PST by WOSG (Oppose the bailouts, boondoggles, big Government -)
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To: BGHater

His best wit is live on his videos.

The problem with him running for office is he is the doctor that says economy needs rehab, bitter medicine. Pols tell public we need more drug like highs, by doing the same as before, but claiming it is different. How can he win an election against doctors that all claim we need more candy and blaming the other guy for the candy not working so far? Both McCain and Obama promised nothing but give-a-aways but Obama was unknown so voters could convince themselves he was the real Santa.


25 posted on 01/26/2009 12:04:36 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : " We need swift immediate action on my 10 year government spending plan")
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To: BGHater

Schiff is not wrong about the US economy and the dollar, but he may be wrong about “de-linking” of foreign economies.


26 posted on 01/26/2009 2:29:40 PM PST by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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To: BGHater
Ron Paul, like all conservatives, has been demonized by the media. He is made to look petty, strange, out of touch, radical, shrill, etc.... The idea is to destroy the person in the eyes of the public. An orchestrated effort by the leftist establishment is the fate of all who seek the Republican nomination. Look at Dan Quayle. Look at Sarah Palin. Look at what was said about Ronald Reagan and Nancy Reagan. Anyone who challenges the goals of the globalist internationalist left will be destroyed. Even today, Obama is framing Rush Limbaugh to be the next Goldstein (of Orson Wells 1984 fame). Hannity? Minimized and his goofy sound effects on his new show play right into their hands. He is minimizing himself. Ann Coulter? Fearless because she doesn't give a rip[ and she KNOWs who these people are. Mark Levin? Also fearless and KNOWS who these people are.

Who will we nominate in 2012 (assuming elections aren't banned by then)? Who, among conservatives, will NOT be portrayed as a right wing nut case? We have no media. We have no schools, colleges, foundations, etc. As Allen Ginsberg was quoted as saying (although the quote came from Lenin): Control the media; control the culture.

Not good, folks. Not good at all.

27 posted on 01/26/2009 3:37:41 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: KoRn; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ...



Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here!
28 posted on 01/27/2009 6:08:58 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: BGHater

Curse that Ron Paul and his common sense. There is no money to spend!!!


29 posted on 01/27/2009 6:29:10 AM PST by Puddleglum (this space for rent)
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To: WOSG

bookmarked for when I need to raise my blood pressure:

Read the Stimulus is a good site. thanks.
http://readthestimulus.org/


30 posted on 01/27/2009 6:30:08 AM PST by Puddleglum (this space for rent)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
people were only angry at him for splitting the conservative vote.

just like most people were pro mccain in october, then went back to normal on nov 5th


You appear to be confused. Ron Paul ran in the Republican primary and officially dropped out in June (and conceded he had no chance of winning much earlier). He did not run in the general election against McCain.
31 posted on 01/27/2009 7:36:42 AM PST by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

“Ron Paul ran in the Republican primary”

yeah, and people were pi***d at him for splitting the conservative vote...


32 posted on 01/27/2009 7:45:53 AM PST by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

The people who ‘split the conservative vote’ are the fake republicans running the party who put up the most distasteful globalist candidate they could find.

Put any blame where it belongs, please.


33 posted on 01/27/2009 7:53:38 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

Hey, you can put those heckles back down.

Someone said people would think paul less of a nutcase or something.

I pointed out that the harsh response people had for paul was similar to the support people had for mccain - a means to an end.

I support many of his positions. But he had no business being in the primary. Leftists were happy to finance his campaign to split our vote.

just look at these obvious LEFTISTS pushing paul:

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7901/ronpaulwe8.jpg

He was used by the left. Many reasonable ideas, but should stay the hell out of the primary next time, if he cares about America, which I’m sure he does.


34 posted on 01/27/2009 8:07:23 AM PST by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

You need to understand that the political spectrum is no longer ‘left and right’. It is the globalists versus the advocates of sovereign nations. The globalists don’t care what kind of totalitarian or collectivist system is put in place as long as they achieve their goal. Thats why you see a mishmash of fascism, communism and socialism in ‘change.gov’ and the global system.

Paul is an advocate of freedom. It will take all kinds of people to return to a free society. It is the globalists, made up of the former left and right (obama and maccain) that will be the death of this nation.

Splitting the vote is a red herring. If the party wasn’t being manipulated from the top down, real debate (not namecalling and character assasination)would have occured and real candidates would have come out for the election.


35 posted on 01/27/2009 9:09:57 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

“the political spectrum is no longer ‘left and right’.”

It never was, they were always useless labels.

“It is the globalists versus the advocates of sovereign nations.”

think about this - “the globalists”? not true. russia has globalist plans, for it to be dominant. china has globalist plans, for it to be dominant. there are a wide variety of motivations among people you and I might consider “globalist”. there is not one big bloc called “the globalists” - that kind of thinking is self defeating

“The globalists don’t care what kind of totalitarian or collectivist system is put in place as long as they achieve their goal.”

again - totally over simple. that may be true for, say, Soros & Putin.

“Paul is an advocate of freedom.”

Sure. And that’s good. It’s important he’s in the mix. But his views are also overly simple. Can we say with certainty that a gold standard would have produced the economic prosperity we see today? I have the same instincts as you to distrust these people, but I also consider the possibility that maybe it’s not all as evil as we might be expected to believe.

“Splitting the vote is a red herring.”

No seriously, the left was pushing paul. He was used by the left. Take a good look at that picture I linked & think about it.

“If the party wasn’t being manipulated from the top down”

I also wonder if obama’s election wasn’t a predecided thing. And none of the candidates were great. But certainly Romney would have given us a better chance than mcnasty.

But America is still a free country, and votes do matter. But to talk of the party being manipulated from the top down is also kind of self destructive. Who allowed those people to run the RNC? Who allows new hampshire to be the first state to vote in primaries when their system clearly favors libs? tackle the real issues. there are real issues that need attacking consistently


36 posted on 01/27/2009 9:55:06 AM PST by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

Clearly you don’t understand what is happening.

Russia, china both are members of the G8. The plan for global economic integration is tops on the G8 ‘to do’ list.

The globalist bloc is the G8.

Or maybe you do understand and you’re one of those disinformationists. America is not a free country. Eighty percent of the voters could not stop the government from their stealth amnesty program of illegal immigration. The majority of the voters cannot stop socialist ‘bailouts’ nor get their govenrment to tell them where the money is going (china and foreign countries).

Do votes matter? Do they matter when Acorn is going to get ‘bailout’ money too?


37 posted on 01/27/2009 10:07:56 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: FreedomFerret

Personally, I think he should be the House minority leader right now. Then become the majority leader in 2010 when the dems and rinos are kicked out of office (hopefully).


38 posted on 01/27/2009 10:14:00 AM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: hedgetrimmer

“Clearly you don’t understand what is happening.”

mm hmm.

“The globalist bloc is the G8.”

As a single, unified force huh. Things are more complicated than that. You have the teenage version.

“Or maybe you do understand and you’re one of those disinformationists.”

Oh dear.

“America is not a free country.”

It’s the freeest there is.

“Eighty percent of the voters could not stop the government from their stealth amnesty program of illegal immigration.”

“the government” - you talk of it as if it’s a single entity. It’s not. _People_ have “stealth xyz” plans other _people_ are against “stealth xyz” plans. to have views of “the government” as the baddie is the teenage version.

“The majority of the voters cannot stop socialist ‘bailouts’”

Sure. Bailout is bad, I agree.

“nor get their govenrment to tell them where the money is going (china and foreign countries).”

they have a lot of our debt, sure. and there is a bad version of that, where you furrow your brow & worry about them foreclosing on America. Not going to happen. I’d look after the 2nd amendment tooth & nail to be sure though.

“Do votes matter? Do they matter when Acorn is going to get ‘bailout’ money too?”

darn right they mattered. and had we elected someone like Romney if Paul hadn’t split the conservative vote (perhaps), then acorn wouldn’t be getting diddly.


39 posted on 01/27/2009 10:42:14 AM PST by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
As a single, unified force huh. Things are more complicated than that. You have the teenage version.

Oh really. Why do you educate us all then, instead of insisting that this is still a free country?
40 posted on 01/27/2009 12:27:47 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

i just think your approach is self defeating. of course things are bad & need to be better. but America is still the freeest country there is & votes do count. What do you want to do, store up dry food & live in a shack?


41 posted on 01/27/2009 12:37:48 PM PST by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

I won’t drink your soma. Everyone can see things are going from bad to worse. It is because the transnational corporations and foreign government bureaucrats have set themselves a governmental framework in the G8. Everything they do, is designed around destroying the US domestic economy by bleeding it dry to pay for globalism.

That’s what’s happening.

It doesn’t matter to them that globalism cannot exist without the US taxpayer funding it. Once they finish with the US domestic economy the world will descend into chaos because the American taxpayer will be completely tapped out and no more money will be for the taking.

They think that by letting these foreign corporations and governments take over our infrastructure and buy domestic companies, that the global monster can continue to be fed. What they’re seeing is, without jobs Americans won’t buy their stuff anymore.

Rumblings are starting everywhere, with riots in Greece, the overthrow of the Icelandic government. The EU is trying to quell the unrest in the PIIGS and figure out some way to keep the euro from going bust but they won’t succeed. By destroying America’s exceptionalism and Constitutional government they are putting out the light for humanity.


42 posted on 01/27/2009 1:34:09 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

“destroying the US domestic economy by bleeding it dry”

I agree there’s a major problem. But we’d be a lot better off right now without zero in the WH. I don’t think Paul helped any by getting leftists to support his presidency bid.

So what do you think about 9/11: was it (a) a bunch of muzzie terrorists, or (b) a conspiracy?


43 posted on 01/27/2009 1:48:59 PM PST by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: hedgetrimmer

“They think that by letting these foreign corporations and governments take over our infrastructure and buy domestic companies, that the global monster can continue to be fed.”

See, dude, that sentence doesn’t make sense.

“They think that” implies that you think they (”transnational corporations and foreign government bureaucrats”) are wrong about something. OK, then what are they wrong about? “that the global monster can continue to be fed”, apparently. Leaving aside what we consider “the global monster” to be, this is doubtless a _bad thing_. So they are wrong about the bad thing?

You’ve got a lot of passion dude and that’s great, but I usually see this kind of lack of focus in young liberals. No one’s ever going to take you seriously unless you can identify what you consider the problem to be, and can express it.

Stick around. Try not to get sidelined by crazy websites. A lot of people here want what’s best. You are 17-25, yes?


44 posted on 01/27/2009 2:04:56 PM PST by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
So what do you think about 9/11: was it (a) a bunch of muzzie terrorists, or (b) a conspiracy?

I've never heard that one before. Where do you get your information?
45 posted on 01/27/2009 2:06:07 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Red in Blue PA

Re RP...
http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/attention-ron-paul-war-room-back-online/


46 posted on 01/29/2009 5:53:34 AM PST by gunnyg
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To: BGHater
And, by all means, get ready for the coming TAX TSUNAMI.

This tiny little tax rebate kick back is merely a temporary diversion. Like a tsunami, the tide always goes out first, giving the ignorant residents a false sense of security before the wave hits the shore line and destroys everything in it's path.

They will make the claim that Bush messed this up far worse than they had originally thought, with his “irresponsible” tax cuts, which caused this mess today.

They're just going to have to do the “responsible” thing and ask all Americans to “reinvest” in their country again. And, with Robert Reich, etc, they will find a completely new wording to disguise the outright robbery and confiscation of our hard earned wealth. And make it appear to be someone else's fault.

47 posted on 01/29/2009 6:14:35 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (WHAT? Where did my tag line go? (ACORN))
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