Illegal immigration

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[UMCRevMom@aol.com]

I am a supporter of President Bush's policies domestic and international. However, I struggle GREATLY with the topic of amnesty or any formal recognition of illegal aliens status as a fair response. Many immigrants have chosen to be legally complaint with United States law remaining years in refugee camps and are still waiting

There is an interesting precedent in our U.S. history:

My maternal grandfather escaped from Russia at the turn of the last century. His father had played an instrument in the Czar's band. As children, he and his brother and their father worked in the NY coal mines to earn passage for their mother & sisters.

The item of interest in this history is: his citizenship followed his service in the U.S. Armed Forces during WWI. My Grandfather explained to me that anyone who volunteered to serve in the military during WWI became an automatic U.S. citizen.

MY SUGGESTION: to perhaps solve this quandary on both sides of this immigration issue.

Individuals that choose to enlist would demonstrate allegiance to serve our nation vs take the benefits of citizenship: especially without owning loyalty to our nation.

Thank you kindly for consideration of this suggestion.

[ckilmer]

There are plenty of reports of gang violence south of the border. According to this Daily Telegraph Article:

Since January, more than 1,300 people have been killed in execution-style hits or gunned down in fire fights, which often rage for hours in broad daylight and turn residential neighbourhoods into war zones. If the trend continues, 2008 will top last year's toll of 2,500 deaths in drug-related killings.

You don't hear so much about Americans at the Border. Too bad.

Americans are regularly abused. According to this article entitled US Warns Tourists of 'Small-Unit Combat' at Mexico Border -- Murder and kidnapping of Americans has become routine all along the US Mexican border. According to the State Department sometimes heavily armed attackers wear the uniforms of the Mexican police or military.

If there is silence about events at the border. The silence about killings north of the border is deafening. And yet....

More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war, study says Think about it. A man or woman killed in Iraq or Iran in the line of duty is a hero. But what is an American killed at home by an illegal alien because the government has failed in its sworn duty to guard the borders. This is a pact between the sovereign and the person has paid taxes and loyalty. The answer is to that question is pretty awful. And it bodes ill for the republic.

But is it true?

Yes, according Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa.When you start digging into the numbers the only ones that can be sourced with the feds are the number of American murdered in 2005: 16692
I have seen federal numbers for illegals held in jail ranging from 19.3% to 27% of the federal prison population.

Here's a sampling of USA cities wanted for murder. What you'll see is that in big USA cities like LA or NYC most of the murderers are Hispanic. Unknown are the % of illegals. In smaller cities the FBI will post the nationalities of the murderers. About 25% of the most wanted are illegals wanted for murder. This number agrees with the percentage of illegals incarcerated in federal prisons. +-25%

Pictures of top 10 most wanted in LA. Up until recent stories about crime in LA posted by the LA Times--the pictures included the nationality of the murderers. They were all foreign nationals and mostly Mexican.

Wanted for Murder in New York City.

Chicago wanted for Murder


Philadelphia wanted for murder

San Francisco wanted for Murder


New Orleans wanted for Murder

Pictures of suspects wanted for murder in Washington DC

FBI USA 10 most wanted. (two of 10 are Mexican nationals) Around 40% of the FBI's wanted for murder are Mexican Nationals

There are currently no exact numbers on the number of Americans killed by illegals. Part of the reason is that the government deliberately obscures the number. I talked on the phone with the head of statistics for the US Bureau of Prisons. He said his office wasn't allowed to publish the number of illegal alien murderers. Rather they were forced to put legal and non legal residents in the same category. He said further that most of illegals in the federal prisons were in for drug related charges. Most of the illegals in jail for murder were in the state prisons. I talked to ICE. They put out detailed numbers on illegal child molestors. However, they put out nothing on illegal murderers.

Part of the reason for the silence on the matter is that there is evidence to suggest that most Americans--but by no means all -- being killed by illegals are black--as is the suggestion in this LA Times Article. Also this article from the LA Times. And here. This makes intuitive sense. We see stories regularly of drug gang killings in Mexico but we don't see those same stories in the USA. The reason we don't see those stories is not because its not happening. Rather we don't see the stories about illegals killing blacks because that kind of story is terribly politically incorrect. The populations being displaced in downtown sanctuary cities especially are American blacks. That means that their criminal elements would be pushed aside by Mexican gangs as well. That's also the story that the wanted for murder posters in all the major cities seems to suggest.

Why isn't there an outcry in the black community? Beats me.

Nevertheless, the pattern of non reporting is starting to break. Discovery Channel has a series called Gangland that mentions ethnic cleasing of blacks by Mexican gangs. One woman in San Francisco who had her family killed by an illegal is even demanding the city to drop its sanctuary city status.

Reported Foreign Nationals on Death Row in the U.S.

To look at other USA cities go here http://stlouis.fbi.gov/ and replace stlouis with the city you want.

All that said the true number of criminal aliens is far higher than is revealed by criminal aliens in prisons. Most are simply waived through the courts.DHS Secretary Chertoff, has been quoted as warning that two million people in this country illegally have committed serious crimes. If you check the links you'll notice that its McCain who cites Chertoff. See also here and here Here is more info from Judicial Watch.

However the number of illegals on death row is far lower. Sadly, so many small towns and villages across America have sent their warriors off to war half way across the world only to see communities fill up with illegal aliens.

[ZULU]

My guess is your grandfather came here because he wanted to be AMERICAN.

A lot - not all - of these illegal invaders come here to make a fast buck and then go back. They have no desire to become AMERICAN. They want to remain whatever their original nationality was.

I wsa long a supporter of Bush II until he won re-election. Then he demonstrated exactly what compassionate conservative REALLy meant - globalist RINO.

[johnthebaptistmoore]

Did you also say the EXACT SAME THINGS to the “GOP Platform Committee Website” http://www.GOPPlatform2008.com where the general public is allowed to write and/or video what they want the GOP to truly do on any issues?

[longtermmemmory]

it is already the law.

People who have arrived legally get to become citizens in three years instead of the five. The right to apply vs the automatic is to deal with the fact you HAVE to do a background check and the person has to serve honorably.

This is not WW I where foot soldiers were needed as warm bodies. Today we need people who can be trusted with serious technology and hardware. You can’t let “just anyone” join in. Contrary to MSM dissembling, you have to meet the qualifications to join, not just have a pulse.