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Book Blames Titanic Tragedy On Use of Low Grade Rivets
FoxNews ^ | April 18, 2008 | Staff Writer

Posted on 04/18/2008 5:00:24 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana

NEW YORK — The tragic sinking of the Titanic nearly a century ago can be blamed on low grade rivets that the ship's builders used on some parts of the ill-fated liner, two experts on metals conclude in a new book.

The company, Harland and Wolff of Belfast, Northern Ireland, needed to build the ship quickly and at reasonable cost, which may have compromised quality, said co-author Timothy Foecke. That the shipyard was building two other vessels at the same time added to the difficulty of getting the millions of rivets needed, he added.

"Under the pressure to get these ships up, they ramped up the riveters, found materials from additional suppliers, and some was not of quality," said Foecke, a metallurgist at the U.S. government's National Institute of Standards and Technology who has been studying the Titanic for a decade.

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TOPICS: Books/Literature; History; Society
KEYWORDS: 1912; icebergs; titanic
More than 1,500 people died when the Titanic, advertised as an "unsinkable" luxury liner, struck an iceberg on its maiden voyage in 1912 and went down in the North Atlantic less than three hours later.

"The company knowingly purchased weaker rivets, but I think they did it not knowing they would be purchasing something substandard enough that when they hit an iceberg their ship would sink," said co-author Jennifer Hooper McCarty, who started researching the Titanic's rivets while working on her Ph.D. at Johns Hopkins University in 1999.

The company disputes the idea that inferior rivets were at fault. The theory has been around for years, but McCarty and Foecke's book, "What Really Sank the Titanic," published last month, outlines their extensive research into the Harland and Wolff archives and surviving rivets from the Titanic.

McCarty spent two years in Britain studying the company's archives and works on the training and working conditions of shipyard workers. She and Foecke also studied engineering textbooks from the 1890s and early 1900s to learn more about shipbuilding practices and materials.

"I had the opportunity to study the metallurgy of several rivets," McCarty said. "It was a process of taking thousands of images of the inside of these rivets, finding out what the structure was like, doing chemical testing and computer modeling.

"Seeing the kind of levels we saw in different areas, in different parts of the ship led us to believe they would have ordered from different people," she said, adding this may have led to the weaker rivets.

The two metallurgists tested 48 rivets from the ship and found that slag concentrations were at 9 percent, when they should have been 2 to 3 percent. The slag is a byproduct of the smelting process.

"You need the slag but you need just a little to take up the load that's applied so the iron doesn't stretch," Foecke said. "The iron becomes weak the more slag there is because the brittleness of the slag takes over and it breaks easily."

Foecke said the main question was not whether the Titanic would sink after hitting the iceberg, but how fast the ship went down.

He believes the answer is provided by the weak rivets. His analysis showed the builders used stronger steel rivets where they expected the greatest stress and weaker iron rivets for the stern and the bow, where they thought there would be less pressure, he said. But it was the ship's bow that struck the iceberg.

"Typically you want a four bar for rivets," Foecke said, using the measurement for the strongest rivets. "Some of the orders were for three bar."

Harland and Wolff spokesman Joris Minne disputed the findings. "We always say there was nothing wrong with the Titanic when it left here," he said.

When the iceberg hit the Titanic, it scraped alongside the ship. Foecke said this affected a number of seams in the bow and the weak rivets let go, putting more pressure on the strong rivets.

"Six compartments flooded. If the rivets were on average better quality, five compartments may have flooded and the ship would have stayed afloat longer and more people would have been saved," Foecke said. "If four compartments flooded, the ship may have limped to Halifax."

The company does not have an archivist, but it refers scientific questions on the Titanic to retired Harland and Wolff naval engineer David Livingstone, who also has researched the ship's sinking.

He said he largely agrees with the authors' findings on the metallic composition of the rivets, but added their conclusions that the rivets were to blame for the sinking are "misleading and incorrect" because they do not consider the ship's overall design and the historical context.

"You can't just look at the material and say it was substandard," Livingstone said. "Of course material from 100 years ago would be inferior to material today."

He said he has found no document to support the argument that Harland and Wolff knowingly used substandard material. He pointed out that the Olympic, a ship the company built at the same time using the same materials, had a long life with no troubles. The third vessel turned out in the early 1900s was attacked and sunk in World War I.

Livingstone said he is not sure why iron rivets were used in the bow and the stern but believes it may have been because a crane-mounted hydraulic rivet machine could not reach those points. He said the iron rivets were wider to compensate for the difference in strength.

Contrary to Foecke's theory, Livingstone said, the Titanic did not go down fast compared to other ships that have sunk.

He said the Titanic did not capsize — as do most sinking ships — but maintained an even keel until the last moment, going down after about 2 1/2 hours when the weight of the water it took on became too much.

William Garzke, chairman of the forensics panel of the Society of Naval Architects and Marine Engineers based in New Jersey, said wrought iron was commonly used at that time, but steel was the newer, stronger choice.

Garzke, who also has studied the Titanic sinking, said the two scientists made a good point about the variability of the rivets, but "the problem is not the metallurgy of the rivets, it was the design of the riveted joints."

He said that the company used only two rivets at the site of impact, when three would have provided more strength and durability.

1 posted on 04/18/2008 5:00:24 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

Big retroactive legal rams comming


2 posted on 04/18/2008 5:12:35 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Tennessee Nana

I thought another problem was that the watertight compartments weren’t truly watertight—they were spillover compartments, so that when one filled, it cascaded into the next. There’s no mention in the article of whether the seam splitting attributed to the rivet failure extended into all of six of the compartments.


3 posted on 04/18/2008 5:17:12 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Yes that was the case...

That’s why it sank so quickly...

but remember it also broke in two BEFORE it hit the bottom and each part landed a good way from the other...

If low grade rivets broke off due to pressure etc...the force would be bad on really strong rivets but cheapies ???

My mother was 2 months old when this happened ...She wasnt on the Titanic but she knew a lot about it ..

That’s probably where I got my lifelong interest from ....


4 posted on 04/18/2008 5:23:06 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
"When the iceberg hit the Titanic,..."

Not meaning to quibble, but isn't this kind of backwards?

If not, we need a belated APB out for that hit and run ice berg.....

5 posted on 04/18/2008 5:24:50 AM PDT by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: safeasthebanks

When the iceberg hit the Titanic,...”

Not meaning to quibble, but isn’t this kind of backwards?

If not, we need a belated APB out for that hit and run ice berg..
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You are right...it does say that

LOL


6 posted on 04/18/2008 5:40:46 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

It was proven on one of the various Discovery shows on the Titanic, that the steel was of an inferior grade and when exposed to below freezing tempretures became brittle and as a result weakened the structure of the ship itself.


7 posted on 04/18/2008 5:58:31 AM PDT by Bommer (Hmmm who to vote for? A Far leftist? A Radical Leftist? Or a Republican that enjoys being a Leftist?)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Call me crazy but perhaps that big #%^#! iceberg was the determining factor for the sinking of the Titanic.


8 posted on 04/18/2008 6:04:56 AM PDT by bigcat32
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To: Bommer

Yep, I saw that too. It was pretty conclusive that the steel used to construct the entire ship was of poor quality and became brittle when exposed to cold temperatures. I guess this would extend to the rivets too.


9 posted on 04/18/2008 6:37:17 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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