Posted on 10/22/2007 1:30:45 PM PDT by LS
* John McCain 50% * Hillary Clinton 43%
* Rudy Giuliani 48% * Hillary Clinton 47%
* Hillary Clinton 51% * Fred Thompson 43%
* Hillary Clinton 49% * Mitt Romney 42%
I don't know where McCain's strength has come from. He still languishes at 2nd or 3rd nationally, but well behind Rudy. But this is encouraging in that this week both McCain and Rudy have been even with, or ahead of, Hillary in several "red" states and/or battleground states.
It does disprove, now, the notion that a Rudy nomination would lose "red" states (although NM was only "red" in 04, not 2000).
It also disproves the notion of Hillary's "invincibility."
http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/daily_presidential_tracking_poll__1
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One can say that McCain’s AZ roots is helping him in the West.
McCain is rebounding in the polls. The question is “Is McCain rebound due to conservatvies or independents?” If it is conservatives , then the base has forgiven him over the Amnesty saga. If it is independents, then Iraq may not be the albatross that the Dems hope it would be.
My guess is what these polls really expose is Hillary's unlikeability. Candidates with name recognition (like Rudy and McCain)defeat her in these states. While candidates lacking name recognition only register in the low 40s, Hillary herself still falls well short of 50%.
If Romney or Thompson grow their name recognition and are seen as viable candidates, they will top Hillary in these polls as well.
That’s interesting re: McCain. He’s been amusing at least in the debates.
He is interesting. That might be because he knows what he says doesn’t matter to his campaign anymore so he might as well let it all hang out.
LOL. So far, every poll is saying pretty much the same thing. No lessons learned in 2006? Or do we only cite polls when they support ‘our’ candidate?
McCain is ahead of Hillary in almost all of the new SurveyUSA battleground polls. Rudy is doing alright in most of these but he has slipped some (KY, MO, OH) and frankly I think it is the pro-abortion thing becoming more and more known. But everyone is trailing Hillary in MO which is a bit disturbing and McCain is the only one who keeps Hillary under 50. McCain is tied in Ohio; everyone else falls behind Hillary somewhat. This NM poll however is great news because this is a state I had previously written off to Hillary. Not yet!
It is just MHO but these new SurveyUSA polls really make the case that McCain is the best candidate to defeat Hillary while still holding onto the pro-life and other conservative issues. No, he is not perfect. But he is electable and good enough (for me).
IMHO if McCain wants to win the primary these surveys make a strong case. He needs to sell his ‘electability’ because that was/is Giuliani’s strong suit. Clearly that’s not necessarily the case anymore and he could take votes away from Giuliani were he to effectively make that case.
I really don't like McCain, even vs. everyone else. It's not his positions (many of which are bad enough), it's his temperment, which I just don't trust---I think he's on a short fuse and could do some horrible things on the spur of the moment, where at least with Mitt or Rudy you would know what they wanted to do (they say so) and could muster the opposition to stop them. (I've known McCain since I first voted for him to take John Rhodes seat in the House more than 20 years ago.)
In KY, Hillary is not leading McCain or Fred but leading or tied with the others.
I’m sorry, we’ll have to disagree. I don’t see McCain as nearly as bad as many make him to be. Frankly with all the ‘new tone’ going around I wouldn’t mind to see a little red-blooded passion in the White House. With regard to things like the use of nuclear weapons there are all sorts of mechanisms involved, you don’t just get mad and push a red button at whim; it’s not that simple.
McCain by the way is firmly to the right of Rudy - let’s not kid ourselves - and Rudy’s got more than his own share of quirks and streaks to get ironed out.
Ideologically, no question. Fact is, I trust Rudy far more than I trust McCain.
I’ve been waiting for MONTHS to see anyone say anything positive about McCain on this board. It’s as if he’s just been written off and the contest is between Fred/Rudy/Mitt.
Honestly, I think McCain’s time has passed and can’t see him getting past McCain-Feingold and his amnesty position to win primaries. He’s served this nation long and (mostly) well for a long time. Just can’t see him as POTUS.
I don’t know about that. Rudy has quite an authoritarian streak. And the federal government has because so executive-heavy, I don’t think I would trust Rudy more than McCain.
Putting up new numbers now from Ras on OH, IL, NC, and MI.
When one of Freds campaign staff for New Hampshire switched to John McCain today, and with these recent head to head polls, I am thinking the "insiders" may be something in internal polls about John McCain that we don't know about yet.
In 2004, my first inkling that Dean was sinking was a few weeks before the Iowa Caucus Fox switched Carl Cameron from covering the Dean campaign, to covering the Kerry campaign. I did not understand it at the time, but when the caucus numbers came in, it made sense. The MSM knew that Dean was losing it, but didn't make that info public.
I really like McCain, I won't vote for him in the primaries because of his past decisions (going against Bush publicly, judicial "compromise" instead of killing the filibuster,etc.) but overall, he would make the GOP proud.
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