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As More Homeless Men Pour into Grace Episcopal, Complaints Rise (The Disgruntled Homeless)
Madison.com ^ | February 7, 2007 | Pat Schneider

Posted on 02/07/2007 3:18:40 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin

People seem to care more about the pit-bull dogs seized in a recent drug raid, Larry Petty said, than they do about men like him, who line up in the cold every night to race for a cot in Madison's oldest homeless shelter.

"No one pays any attention," said Petty, 48, a standout on the University of Wisconsin-Madison basketball team in the late 1970s who recently finished a prison term and now lives on the streets.

He was among a couple of dozen men waiting in frigid temperatures Tuesday for the doors to open at the men's shelter at Grace Episcopal Church, 116 W. Washington Ave.

The plight of the dogs captured a lot of media attention in recent weeks, after the Dane County Humane Society said it could no longer afford to feed and house them while their owner made his way through the criminal justice system.

But the men's shelter, operated by Porchlight Inc., also has been in the news of late, after Porchlight executive director Steve Schooler reported an unexplained spike in the number of men using the facility in recent weeks.

The shelter, which typically houses 80 or 90 men a night, has steadily seen up to 120 a night this winter, and surpassed 150 several times, Schooler said.

Petty was among a dozen men to raise complaints about conditions in the shelter during interviews this week.

Schooler said he was surprised to hear most of the beefs. He cited a survey taken at the shelter last month, in which 48 men participated and which reported a pretty strong level of satisfaction.

Men waiting to get into the shelter Tuesday had a litany of complaints, starting with how they have to wait outside in the cold.

The men said they have to wait down the street from the courtyard entrance to the shelter until 4:30 p.m., when shelter staff give a signal and they run to form a line.

At the signal Tuesday, the men, carrying oversized packs and bundles, raced in a pack to the courtyard.

"They treat us like cattle," said one man.

"We have to run like dogs," said another.

Schooler said he wasn't aware that the men had a problem with the line-up procedure, but admitted he didn't understand why it was set up that way. All the 50 or so men typically waiting when the doors open get a bed, he said.

But shelter users say they prefer certain beds that have fewer other beds around them in the crowded, noisy facility.

"I like my corner, so I can see everyone coming and protect my stuff," said one man, a disabled welder who is trying to raise public awareness about conditions at the shelter.

Men who use the shelter say that staff members are condescending to them.

"They take things personal instead of professional," said Todd Grigspy. He was among the men who stopped to talk after leaving the shelter today.

The men said they would spend the day trying to stay warm at the nearby Capitol building, the downtown public library or a series of coffee shops before probably trudging back to the shelter tonight.

"We're treated as second class," Bernard Lewis, a 56-year-old retired General Motors worker, said today.

Other men have been reluctant to attach their names to complaints, saying they fear being barred from the shelter in retaliation. One man waiting Tuesday outside the shelter and talking to a reporter blanched when a staff member walked by, and muttered, "I'm in trouble."

Staff got high marks for professionalism on the recent survey, Schooler said, adding he would take seriously any complaints that were brought to him.

"It's definitely hard to sleep because of the noise," said Lewis, who said he wears ear plugs.

Several men complained of others who are drunk or high - conditions that are supposed to bar entry - who come in and scream and holler. The recent crowding has also increased the number of arguments overall, they said.

In addition, the men say that the blankets and pillows they use are not laundered often enough. "They stink," they said.

Their discomfort about sharing unwashed bed linens is compounded by what several called very common body lice among shelter users.

The tale of a recent shelter guest covered with bugs was widespread.

Schooler said that there was a recent case of a man with scabies, a contagious body disease caused by mites, but that the man was given treatment and told he could not return to the shelter with the condition.

The men also complained that of the three showerheads in the communal shower room, only one works. And to get hot water from the shower, you've got to get hot water running in the bathroom sinks, one said.

Of the three toilet stalls, the men said, only one has a door. Blankets hang over the openings of the other two stalls, they said. Schooler said that replacement doors are on order, remarking that the doors were ripped off their hinges.

Vandalism grows out of the way the men are treated, said the man who has been working to bring public attention to shelter conditions. "We disrespect the place because we get no respect," he said.

The facility has been written up a couple of times for building code violations in the past few years, said George Hanks, housing inspection supervisor for the city of Madison.

In 2005, shelter operators were ordered to clean floors and walls in the kitchen, bathroom and stairway and to repair missing tiles in the shower, as well as make minor repairs to and paint other walls.

In 2006, the shelter was ordered to repair a broken urinal and replace the floor around the urinals.

For a facility as heavily used as the shelter is, its recent record did not seem "out of line," Hank said.

Schooler said he knew nothing of broken showerheads and that management has been satisfied with the daily cleaning done by the current janitor.

"When you get the numbers we're struggling to deal with, there's just going to be more wear and tear," he said.

The shelter usually gives the men dinner and breakfast. "Sometimes there's food and sometimes there's not," Lewis said.

Schooler acknowledged there have occasionally been times when the volunteers slated to prepare and deliver food don't show up. "We don't have the resources to buy meals," Schooler said. Instead, the shelter relies on some 60 communities of faith that take turns.

Many of the men said that shelter staff don't make any effort to help the men pull themselves out of homelessness. "They're using laymen to do a professional job," said Mark Elvord, who questions if staff are adequately trained to assist the men. "I pulled myself up," said Elvord, who said he is waiting for a check from a new job to get an apartment.

Petty, who was released from prison in August after serving four years of a six-year term for forgery, said that finding work or housing is a real challenge with a criminal record.

Even with Social Security disability income because of a back injury, he's finding it hard to find an apartment.

Petty's looking to network with people he knew from his days as a UW athlete, but many others at the shelter don't have that option.

He's particularly concerned with the mentally ill guys, who don't seem to be getting the help they need.

"They want people out here so they continue to get money," Petty said. "They're not using the tools they have to help people get independent."

Schooler said that staff is present every night to answer questions about available services and that the night manager may seek out someone who he notices has not been referred.

With up to 150 men in shelter, "I would say there are some deficiencies, but where would the money come from for additional resources?"

For someone who has seen his share of high times and hard knocks, Petty said homelessness has been very difficult.

"It's a life you've got to experience to understand," Petty said.

Another man, who traces his problems to alcoholism, said life at the shelter is enough to drive him to drink.

"You wake up and think about going out and getting drunk," he said.


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KEYWORDS: canyoubelievethis; ingrates; justdmn
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To: Vigilanteman
Wouldn't it be cheaper to buy them all a one-way bus ticket to San Fransicko?

No. Frisco is still in shock after discovering that the mayor is straight. It'll take a year or so to get over that.

Seriously, I feel for the homeless (we used to call them hobos, bums, vagrants). I can't imagine being out in the cold there in Wisconsin, global warming or no.

21 posted on 02/07/2007 3:48:26 PM PST by Ole Okie (Even Planet Mars is warming. Those Mars Rovers are real polluters!)
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To: Eva

You would think that they of all people would understand that the shelter is trying to take in as many people as it can, and that its space and facilities are not infinite. Would these self-righteous whiners prefer maybe that the shelter turn away the guy right after THEM, so as not to overload the facility?


22 posted on 02/07/2007 3:49:21 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: Cecily

"They tear the place up, then complain conditions are substandard. The "logic" of complete losers."

LOL! Reminds me of a story my stepdad told me about a guy that was hired to head the local housing authority or some such. He was black and they were holding a press conference at a housing project to "show him off". In the press conference he said something to the effect of, "See these broken windows and broken doors? See that graffiti and trash? Well nobody came from the outside and did that, you residents did it and you will be responsible for helping to make it right." He was promptly fired.


23 posted on 02/07/2007 3:55:00 PM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: Eva

bump


24 posted on 02/07/2007 5:04:00 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Cecily

"Of the three toilet stalls, the men said, only one has a door. Blankets hang over the openings of the other two stalls..."

Obviously they have no military background. We had large, open bays with 8-10 toilets in them. No stalls, no nothing. Just a big room with a cement floor and toilets against the two walls.

Showers were the same way. Very concentration camp-esq. One big room with shower nozzles spaced around the outer walls and a drain in the center. And don't even get me started on Field Conditions, LOL! A shower a WEEK was a luxury, and then that was in the woods in a tent. Ever dug a latrine by hand? Fun, fun fun!

Take a seat, Boys! You don't know how GOOD you have it!


25 posted on 02/07/2007 5:20:14 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Executive director...? That's a highfalutin title for a homeless shelter volunteer.

Years ago, I got involved with some volunteer stuff, thinking I was doing my civic duty and all. But I quickly got disillusioned with the whole scene. These organizations were chock-full of self-important bozos who evidently signed on as volunteers so they can call themselves "directors" and "executives" all the other titles they could never hope to possess in the real working world.

Thus you had losers who couldn't get a mailroom job in the corporate world strutting around the place haughtily bossing other volunteers around like they were Donald Trump or Leona Helmsley or something.

26 posted on 02/07/2007 5:46:35 PM PST by SamAdams76 (I'm 41 days from outliving Steve Irwin)
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To: L98Fiero
The pit bulls don't have the option of hitching a ride south for the winter.

Beggars can't be choosers...and shouldn't be whiners, either.
27 posted on 02/07/2007 5:48:11 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: ChiefChris

Have ??? about Bernard myself.


28 posted on 02/07/2007 6:01:04 PM PST by nomorelurker (wetraginhell)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Field Conditions, LOL! A shower a WEEK was a luxury, and then that was in the woods in a tent. Ever dug a latrine by hand? Fun, fun fun!

Around here, they call that "deer camp". LOL

29 posted on 02/07/2007 6:01:04 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: SamAdams76

"...or Leona Helmsley or something."

Oh. My. Gawd. You nailed it! For a very short time, I worked for a non-profit. I was the Admin Assistant to the Director of "Very Special Arts."

Now granted, it is a "nice" organization that takes people with mental and physical disabilities and turns their "artwork" into posters and Christmas Cards and wrapping paper and all that rot...to raise a buck to do it all over again the next year...after they take their cut to hold a Gala to pat themselves on the back for their "good works." *Rolleyes*

The woman I worked for had to be legally insane. She had this big old black Cadillac that she'd drive around (we did her errands and grocery shopping during work hours, naturally) and while she was driving, she'd "dictate" to me and I was to take copious notes of her ravings and rantings. Of course, it was a "given" that I would do things like take her dog to the groomer and pick up her dry cleaning. *Rolleyes*

I lasted all of a month. She and her bleeding heart staff were absolutely a bunch of disfunctional nuts!


30 posted on 02/07/2007 6:04:04 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

I hunt. I know all about Deer Camp. And the guys I usually go with are wimps by my standards, LOL!

(Note to self: Stop telling people you can rig a camp shower and dig a latrine. They will exploit you to the fullest extent that they are able!) ;)


31 posted on 02/07/2007 6:06:39 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Several men complained of others who are drunk or high - conditions that are supposed to bar entry - who come in and scream and holler.

If I was running that place anyone who made a peep after lights-out would be out on their @ss so fast they would skid to a stop.

There are plenty of others to take their place.

32 posted on 02/07/2007 6:12:37 PM PST by LibKill (ENOUGH! Take the warning labels off everything and let Saint Darwin do his job.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I used to hunt; now I just shoot.

We have an orchard & garden; God provides the targets.


33 posted on 02/07/2007 7:07:11 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

In addition, the men say that the blankets and pillows they use are not laundered often enough. "They stink,"

________________________________________

That's because YOU stink!!


34 posted on 02/08/2007 5:48:12 AM PST by CTOCS (Some people drink from the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

"We have an orchard & garden; God provides the targets."

I've been messing with some rabbits' minds this week. (Not hard to do, actually.) They can't figure out why carrots are appearing for them under the bird feeder where they go to snitch food, LOL! Carrots? In February? *SMIRK*

Just fattening them up for Spring. ;)


35 posted on 02/08/2007 3:08:47 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
"We're treated as second class,"

I hate to tell ya but you are.....

36 posted on 02/08/2007 3:18:42 PM PST by cherry
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Just fattening them up for Spring. ;)

The normal Country Symbiosis: we feed them; then they feed us.

Last fall I had to laugh, while bagging the chosen turkey.

The flock was under an apple tree, and young Mr Macho was up on a whippy limb, pecking the ripe ones. As he pecked, he had to keep waggling his wings to keep his precarious perch; that was knocking other apples down to the rest of the flock. I shot when he flew out of the tree, with an apple speared & stuck on his beak. A veritable flying Rudolph, the clown nosed turkey.

Teenage hubris did him in.

The gobbler of the flock had sense enough to keep a low profile, herding the girls into the heavy brush, when he deduced I was getting close enough to be a threat. Not that I wanted that tough old bird anyway; he's too good a provider for & protector of his hens...his jakes are another, expendable, matter.

37 posted on 02/08/2007 7:05:33 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Great story! They are interesting critters, aren't they? We usually have a (protected) flock of over 40 on the back hill.

Husband got his first Tom last year with a bow. He was thrilled. He just got his permit for this upcoming spring.

Too bad they don't teach these kinds of skills in the shelters, Eh? I realize it's somewhat unrealistic, but I'm a "Teach a Man to Fish..." kind of gal. :)


38 posted on 02/09/2007 5:23:39 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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