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Ugly, the American (On TV, the immigration wars ...) aren't as simple as politicians make them sound
Time Inc. ^ | Monday, Nov. 20, 2006 | JAMES PONIEWOZIK

Posted on 11/28/2006 6:27:04 PM PST by Gene Eric

Ugly, the American
On TV, the immigration wars aren't as simple as politicians make them sound


Few prime-time TV characters are more American than Betty Suarez. On ABC's hit comedy-soap Ugly Betty, she's a fashion-magazine assistant who is distinctly unfashionable--chunky sweaters, frizzy hair, bear-trap braces--but succeeds through good old Yankee values like perseverance, optimism and hard work. Smart and sweet-hearted, she embodies the Puritan-Shaker-Quaker principle of valuing inner good over outer appearance. She's as Norman Rockwell as a chestnut-stuffed turkey. The actress who plays her is even named America Ferrera.

And yet--if you listen to some politicians and pundits--she should have been booted out of the country years ago. Betty's father is an illegal immigrant from Mexico. To hear Lou Dobbs and Pat Buchanan tell it, our fellow citizens are boiling with resentment against people like Betty.

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigrantlist
Towards the end of the article:

Political observers suggest that immigration law will be one of the areas where a Democratic Congress and a Republican White House may be able to reach consensus. Before they do, they should flick on a TV.

The article has few merits and rapidly draws itself into conclusions based on a TV show. Poniewozik takes his jabs at a few easy targets, and tries to inoculate himself using contrived compassion; but inevitably, fails to make a cogent argument.
1 posted on 11/28/2006 6:27:07 PM PST by Gene Eric
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To: Gene Eric

If you read Time Magazine, you pay a couple of bucks to lower your IQ.

It's a bargain!


2 posted on 11/28/2006 6:32:15 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Gene Eric
I have long since passed the boiling point.
I now cast a cold hard eye at any and all "immigrants", legal or not.
There was a time, in the not so distant past, that citizens could be forgiven for assuming their government actually secured our borders, and that anyone who spoke English as a second language, had entered the country, and our local communities legally, and had a "right" to assume they were welcome.
That time has passed.
We now know the reason healthcare costs have skyrocketed to the point that many of us can not afford even basic health insurance, is because our government has trended socialist, and "new world order", against our will, and against the Constitution.
Viva the revolution!
3 posted on 11/28/2006 7:03:25 PM PST by sarasmom (Bite me.! I will bite back.mAnd I will also bite before being bitten by you.)
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To: sarasmom

>> because our government has trended socialist, and "new world order", against our will, and against the Constitution.

Yes, it does appear to be against our will. To take it a step further, there are few things taking place today that favor our will. In fact, the vast majority of events point to the ongoing reduction of our liberties.


4 posted on 11/28/2006 7:50:39 PM PST by Gene Eric
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To: Gene Eric

I, at least, have no problem with individual illegals and progeny of illegals I have met who come with the ideas of making a better life and of becoming Americans with American values. Of course those are not all of them, maybe not a majority. My problem is with the total lack of intent to close the border and not let them in in the first place. I do not fault the employers who hire them. I fault the government that does not arrest, jail, and fine those employers. A consistent and surely applied set of fines and jail terms would rapidly eliminate the reasons the illegals come here and those here would begin to self-deport. And giving them free government services is insane.


5 posted on 11/28/2006 8:12:51 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: arthurus
>> I, at least, have no problem with individual illegals and progeny of illegals

I do. They're participating in the collective, egregious abuse of the 'Official' U.S. Immigration policies. Nobody I know, however, has issue with the media prescribed motivation of bettering ones life or improving upon the welfare of ones family. A process of natural attrition may strike the best balance of interests; though, not an attractive alternative for those battling the edges of the issue.

>> I do not fault the employers who hire them.

I disagree with you here as well. In this case, the participating businesses provide the payrolls that enable the economic viability of illegal immigration as we know it. Perhaps the government is giving tacit approval for the employment of illegal immigrants through lack of prosecution, but then again, it's still illegal to hire illegal immigrants.

We fail too often to mention the economic support the general consumer provides through indifference. I agree with your other points. And yes, it's illegal insanity!
6 posted on 11/28/2006 9:57:36 PM PST by Gene Eric
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To: Gene Eric

I don't deny either of your assertions. but they are not the problem. Given the incentives and the lack where they come from, that they would strive to come here is a given. It cannot be held against them because they cannot be expected to do differently. The same thing goes for the employers. So long as the government encourages them to hire the illegals, and it does-by not acting against the practice- then it makes no sense to not hire them because the competition will. There have to be enforced rules on employers down to the suburbanites who hire the lawn care wetbacks to the contractors who hire them to build condominiums and do hurricane cleanup. Without that then you just waste all your emotion to no end. I cannot get mad at the individuals who respond to the incentives offered until they convert to Islam and I fear they will do that at some point. It offers them great power in this society. Then they become personal enemies. Then, of course, it is all too late.


7 posted on 11/29/2006 1:19:40 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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8 posted on 11/29/2006 9:13:05 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: arthurus

"I do not fault the employers who hire them.

Yea, you know the money was just laying their on the counter. I looked around and didn't see anyone, so I took it.


9 posted on 11/29/2006 9:54:43 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death

The problem is one of practicality. It is much easier to enforce laws against employers than it is to enforce laws against the illegals, themselves. There was a time when we could round them up by the thousands and put them on buses with guards and send them back across the border. Our judges won't permit that now. They all have to have their "rights" and comfort safeguarded and must be treated individually. It is much easier and quicker and cheaper to go after the employers. The ACLU doesn't like employers. It only takes a few employers sanctioned so long as the Justice Dept. is obviously geared up to do the job and the great majority of other employers will get rid of their potential migraines. The illegals, not being total dullards will self deport at far less expense to the taxpayer than if Uncle Sam has to do it. And first and concurrently with the other measures-BUILD THE FENCE and man it with troops and electronics.


10 posted on 11/29/2006 11:32:33 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: arthurus

The fault lies with the people who come, the people who employ them and the government. All share the fault, so to say that two of the three are ok with you makes zero sense.
susie


11 posted on 11/29/2006 5:06:56 PM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: brytlea

For solving the problem the locus of the fault is irrelevant to the measures that must be taken to alleviate the problem.


12 posted on 11/29/2006 5:18:27 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: arthurus
Your post:

I, at least, have no problem with individual illegals and progeny of illegals I have met who come with the ideas of making a better life and of becoming Americans with American values. Of course those are not all of them, maybe not a majority. My problem is with the total lack of intent to close the border and not let them in in the first place. I do not fault the employers who hire them. I fault the government that does not arrest, jail, and fine those employers. A consistent and surely applied set of fines and jail terms would rapidly eliminate the reasons the illegals come here and those here would begin to self-deport. And giving them free government services is insane.

You do not fault the employers and have no problem with the people who come illegally. When I say I disagree and say where the fault lies, you say you don't care about finding fault. Which is it? I could only respond to what you posted.

susie

13 posted on 11/29/2006 5:26:43 PM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: brytlea

I have been pretty clear. You are just picking. If you will not understand what was plainly written then further explanation will be of little use.


14 posted on 11/29/2006 6:04:07 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: arthurus

I suppose that will have to suffice as an answer.
susie


15 posted on 11/29/2006 6:38:46 PM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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