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Comrades Open Windows to Linux
The Financial Express (India) ^ | October 09, 2006 | M SARITA VARMA, INDRANIL CHAKRABORTY & PRAGATI VERMA

Posted on 10/10/2006 4:56:51 PM PDT by Golden Eagle

Linux or open source seems to thrive wherever Left governments rule. And as Kerala schools log Microsoft out and boot open source systems, Linux world is buzzing with excitement over possibilities in the communist-ruled states. Though West Bengal and Tripura have to go whole hog to adopt a free software model, ideological closeness is more than evident. Kerala, most insiders’ feel, is turning out to be Richard Stallman's happiest hunting ground. His personal vibes with Velikakathu Sankaran Achuthanandan, even from VS's pre-chief minister era, are in play. It’s a picture watching the duo cozying together in a similar attire — Stallman in a crumbled white T-shirt and VS in homely sleeveless white banian. Secretly, people do wonder what Class VII drop-out Marxist patriarch chitchats with whiz-kid of the Red Hat business-model. However, those who attended a Stallman seminar on FOSS, could clearly see that Linux and Left are on the same wavelength.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Society
KEYWORDS: famousknucklehead; india; linux; opensource
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To: Golden Eagle
So you don't mind the Linux now outselling the original American Unix products, too? The companies like Cray and Silicon Graphics, which have recently declared bankruptcy?

1. Nope.
2. Nope.

Those companies, like most in IT, have sufferred due to obsolescence and their failure to adapt to new technological developments.

There are two ways to overcome such pressures:

1. Develop and adapt (good)
2. Control the market (bad)

101 posted on 10/11/2006 11:08:58 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: Golden Eagle
Without Linux, those U.S. supercomputer companies don't go bankrupt.

You're not making sense. Without Linux, BSD would probably be on those servers, and available to foreign governments too due to the even more permissible license. BSD was out, and going, but a lawsuit held them up just long enough for Linux to grab the attention of the worldwide developer community. This would be a different world if not for that lawsuit.

Again, you attack Linux, but your gripe is with the concept of open software.

102 posted on 10/11/2006 11:12:45 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
Without Linux, BSD would probably be on those servers

No it wouldn't the legality of these BSD's was in question long before linux. Legality of open source will always be in question, because it is contrary to our normal laws of business, and that is why there needs to be greater controls.

103 posted on 10/11/2006 11:15:38 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Golden Eagle
I can't imagine why anyone would sit here and claim giving free supercomputer products to adverse governments isn't of consequence.

Who's giving them supercomputer products? Last I heard they bought them. Or do you just mean the free OS? But you've already said it's okay for Microsoft to sell them Cluster Server to run their supercomputers. You claim a big national security problem, but we know that for you national security has a relatively cheap price tag.

104 posted on 10/11/2006 11:16:22 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: unspun

Giving technology away to our worldwide competitors is not a wise move, it is not a normal action in any other industry. The international open source crowd has its eyes on our drug advancements as well, I certainly hope you don't think we should give those intellectual property rights away as well?


105 posted on 10/11/2006 11:22:17 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
But you've already said it's okay for Microsoft to sell them Cluster Server to run their supercomputers.

Ridiculous, nowhere have I ever said that nor will I. I simply said if we agree we shouldn't even sell them the technology, how could you possibly want to give it to them for free, instead. It's obviously just another case of you talking in circles, as you always do whenever the topic is dicussed.

106 posted on 10/11/2006 11:26:27 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Golden Eagle
No it wouldn't the legality of these BSD's was in question long before linux.

Not long before. It started a year before Linux was released, and was resolved (soundly in free software's favor) two years after Linux, when Linux had already gained a large following.

Legality of open source will always be in question

In order to do that, you have to put our concept of copyright in question. Why don't you rant at Sun for the questionable legality of OpenSolaris?

107 posted on 10/11/2006 11:27:20 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

Everyone knew the BSD lawsuit was coming years before it ever actually did, just as we knew the Linux lawsuit was coming, years before it ever actually did. This isn't one of these college kids you're talking to, quit trying to BS.


108 posted on 10/11/2006 11:30:09 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Golden Eagle
Giving technology away to our worldwide competitors is not a wise move, it is not a normal action in any other industry.

Plenty of the intellectual elements in our economy are considered public domain. Perhaps the majority of the most essential ones (alphabet, words, phrases, numerics and mathematics, etc.)

The international open source crowd has its eyes on our drug advancements as well, I certainly hope you don't think we should give those intellectual property rights away as well?

Don't get me started about the immorality of the "just how much are your life and health worth?" racketeering, in our healthcare industry, especially in insurance, litigation, and yes, pharmaceuticals, where patents all too often trump concern for patients.

109 posted on 10/11/2006 11:32:45 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: unspun

Is that a yes, you feel the U.S. should give our medical secrets away to the rest of the world for free?


110 posted on 10/11/2006 11:38:52 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Golden Eagle
Is that a yes, you feel the U.S. should give our medical secrets away to the rest of the world for free?

Do you believe poor people who are sick and dying should be helped?

The economy should support those involved in healthcare in ways that reward true interest their having the greatest impact upon human health, not in exorbitant profiteering upon people's misfortunes. Period.

111 posted on 10/11/2006 11:46:14 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: Golden Eagle
The economy should support those involved in healthcare in ways that reward true interest [in] their having the greatest impact upon human health, not in exorbitant profiteering upon people's misfortunes. Period.

Healthcare practitioners should be treated in a culture much like the clergy, except that they merely assist in one's earthly health.

Just as we are upset with a mythical televangelist becoming a multimillionaire by taking advantage of promising blessings to elderly people on fixed incomes, so should we, at all the bilkers in helthcare.
112 posted on 10/11/2006 11:50:31 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: unspun
Do you believe poor people who are sick and dying should be helped?

I believe it is important that they help themselves first. But if they are not able to help themselves, they should be helped, but they should not expect they will receive better treatment than those who have better prepared for the inevitable circumstance.

not in exorbitant profiteering upon people's misfortunes

Not giving something away for free can't possibly be considered "exorbitant profiteering" can it?

113 posted on 10/11/2006 11:56:03 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Golden Eagle
Not giving something away for free can't possibly be considered "exorbitant profiteering" can it?

No, not necessarily. And it's true in healthcare as elsewhere that one "shouldn't muzzle the ox that pulls harvest cart."

But the economics of healthcare are skewed way beyond that, so the ox is eating more grain than is healthy and the people don't get (or share) what they could.

Economics are a vital part of a healthy society, but only a part. Economic interest is far from the greatest interest (a failing for both Adam Smith and Karl Marx, it would seem).

114 posted on 10/12/2006 12:06:33 AM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: unspun
Economics are a vital part of a healthy society, but only a part.

That's all well and good, I agree, but I don't agree that providing the world's society with its needs is the responsibility of the U.S. The U.S. society should be it's focus, and endlessly sharing the wealth of the U.S. with the rest of the world is actually contrary to that goal. Let's at least pay off our debts, and reach a point of peace before we start giving our riches away.

115 posted on 10/12/2006 12:17:57 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: unspun

Hey! Thanks for the tag line!


116 posted on 10/12/2006 5:03:31 AM PDT by FLAMING DEATH (Open source is a good check on the artificial influence of monopolization.)
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To: unspun

He thinks Planned Parenthood's sole mission is to prevent AIDS in Africa and backs Microsoft's donations to them wholeheartedly. Does that count?


117 posted on 10/12/2006 5:06:39 AM PDT by FLAMING DEATH (Open source is a good check on the artificial influence of monopolization.)
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To: zeugma

The first time I saw that picture, I nearly died laughing.


118 posted on 10/12/2006 5:13:02 AM PDT by FLAMING DEATH (Open source is a good check on the artificial influence of monopolization.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
The Opteron caused Cray so much headache in HPC that they actually jumped on the Opteron bandwagon themselves.

Absolutely. The new Cray stuff is pretty cool, even though they are now using commodity CPUs. They have a lot of experience tying multiple processors together with wicked fast backplanes. I recall seeing some stuff about their design process and it's pretty cool. If Cray can benefit from the cost reductions and economies of scale that are facilitated by using OTS components, they should continue to do o.k. They probably won't regain their previous stature of being the best supercomputer on the planet, but if they can't keep up, then they don't deserve it anyway. I always wanted one of those Cray computers that look like a round couch. :-)

119 posted on 10/12/2006 5:33:27 AM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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To: FLAMING DEATH
He thinks Planned Parenthood's sole mission is to prevent AIDS in Africa

LOL funny watching you pull that one out of your rear, ye burning man of death.

120 posted on 10/12/2006 5:38:34 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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