Posted on 04/29/2006 3:40:05 PM PDT by Blogger
I received an email from a friend regarding the Trade Towers collapse. I haven't watched the entire video in the attachment as it is over an hour and I have other things for my Saturday planned. However, before I watch it, for those who have seen such 'evidence' that the towers collapsed due to controlled implosion or something like that, what is your view of the conspiracy theory. I've never seen Michael Moore's stuff (don't plan on seeing it either). I haven't delved too deeply into any of the conspiracys other than to know they exist. Am interested in hearing the Freepers take on things though.
Please don't reply unless you have studied the evidence from both sides.
I haven't watched it but I've heard all the conspiracy theories.
Basically the towers were an untested hollow design and to me the evidence put forth by official and non official sources like the discovery channel make sense.
You dump thousands of gallons of flaming jetfuel across a wide expanse of aluminium and steel, things warp and collapse under the extreme heat and stress.
..Just a quick input about the "implosion of WTC explosion". the Buildings were designed by Japanese Designer and aluminium was used for infrastructure and not steel and probably cause for the collapse because the aluminum melted at lower Fahrenheit than Steel.
So, never again, aluminum building. But who would have thought that there would be such a burning impact. I saw Michael Moore's video. Worth seeing if you want to be aware of the issues we will probably have to face in the next few months and years.
I believe that the Sears tower in chicago has been quietly upgraded in the last couple of years due to it's somewhat similar "exoskeleton" design.
I do not have to watch no friggin video, I watched it live on the morning of 9/11 and a plane with muslims at the helm brought down the buildings.
Always good when you trolls expose yourselves
Isn't it though? They might want to clean up "twidle" on Aisle Three, too.
It may be a valid CT or not, regardless, there are Muslim extremists who have launched an international jihad to the best of their ability against the western world.
To what extent that plot uses patient, quiet, stealth and to what extent it tends to be focused in the middle east needs quantification.
Considering this Monday the US is anticipating large protests by illegal immigration advocates within our major cities, and some people have quantified illegal immigrants to number between 12 and 23 million in this country of nearly 300 million, their is justifiable cause to consider parties such as Al Quada as significant threats to the US people, property, and interests.
There were also CTs regarding Illuminati/New World Order zealots who have been planning such things for a long time and hide in full view. Take your pick and think responsibly.
Hint: It really doesn't matter, as long as you have a relationship with God through faith in Christ, and remain faithful to Him. Regardless the outcome, that is the only winning ticket regardless what threats or problems exist in life.
B) The entire support skeleton of the WTC towers was steel not aluminum.
C) Ditto for the Sears Tower, all steel, now jacketed with high temp ceramic heat shield.
FWIW, yep the Muslim bad guys took it down.
A couple of planes hit them?
Uh huh...
http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Sep/16-241966.html
The Collapse of the World Trade Center Towers
Allegation: 9/11 Revealed suggests that the collapse of the World Trade Center (WTC) towers occurred because not the terrorists flew airliners filled with jet fuel into them, but because the towers were “pre-rigged with explosives.”
Facts: The U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) conducted an extremely thorough, three-year investigation into what caused the WTC twin towers to collapse, as explained on NIST’s WTC Web site. Some 200 staff reviewed tens of thousands of documents, interviewed more than one thousand people, reviewed 7,000 segments of video footage and 7,000 photographs, analyzed 236 pieces of steel from the wreckage, performed laboratory tests and sophisticated computer simulations of the sequence of events that occurred from the moment the aircraft struck the towers until they collapsed. Its conclusion is that the twin towers collapsed because the impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns and dislodged fireproofing insulation coating the steel floor trusses and steel columns, which meant that the subsequent fire, which reached 1000 degrees Celsius, weakened the floors and columns to the point where they bowed and buckled, causing the towers to collapse.
NIST’s Draft Summary Report stated (pp. 171-172):
The two aircraft hit the towers at high speed and did considerable damage to principal structural components: core columns, perimeter columns, and floors. However, the towers withstood the impacts and would have remained standing were it not for the dislodged insulation and the subsequent multifloor fires. …
In WTC 1, the fires weakened the core columns and caused the floors on the south side of the building to sag. The floors pulled the heated south perimeter columns inward, reducing their capacity to support the building above. Their neighboring columns quickly became overloaded as the south wall buckled. The top section of the building titled to the south and began its descent. …
In WTC 2, the core was damaged severely at the southeast corner …. The steady burning fires on the east side of the building caused the floors there to sag. The floors pulled the heated east perimeter columns inward, reducing their capacity to support the building above. Their neighboring columns quickly became overloaded as the east wall buckled. The top section of the building tilted to the east and to the south and began its descent. …
The WTC towers would likely not have collapsed under the combined effects of aircraft impact and the extensive, multifloor fires if the thermal insulation had not been widely dislodged or had been only minimally dislodged by aircraft impact.
In September 2005, NIST issued a clarification in its WTC Towers Report, stating:
NIST found no corroborating evidence for alternative hypotheses suggesting that the WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolition using explosives planted prior to September 11, 2001. NIST also did not find any evidence that missiles were fired at or hit the towers. Instead, photos and videos from several angles clearly showed that the collapse initiated at the fire and impact floors and the collapse progressed from the initiating floors downward, until the dust clouds obscured the view.
Allegation: Other conspiracy theorists have claimed that the fact that the towers collapsed at near a "free fall" rate indicates that explosives were needed to cause this rapid a rate of collapse.
Facts: This allegation ignores the fact that the enormous weight of the top portions of the towers completely overwhelmed the carrying capacity of the floors beneath them, which is what caused the towers to collapse at very close to a "free fall" rate. NIST's Final Report on the Collapse of the World Trade Center Towers states:
The structure below the level of collapse initiation offered minimal resistance to the falling building mass .... The potential energy released by the downward movement of the large building mass far exceeded the capacity of the intact structure below to absorb that ....
Since the stories below the level of collapse initiation provided little resistance to the tremendous energy released by the falling building mass, the building section above came down essentially in free fall .... As the stories below sequentially failed, the falling mass increased, further increasing the demand on the floors below, which were unable to arrest the moving mass.
The falling mass of the building compressed the air ahead of it, much like the action of a piston, forcing material, such as smoke and debris, out the windows ....
The Collapse of World Trade Center 7
Allegation: 9/11 Revealed suggests that the 47-story World Trade Center 7 building, which collapsed at 5:20 pm on September 11, was intentionally demolished. The primary piece of evidence for this is a comment that Mr. Larry Silverstein, who owned the World Trade Center complex, made on the September 2002 television documentary American Rebuilds. Mr. Silverstein said:
I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire. I said, you know, “We've had such terrible loss of life that the smartest thing to do is just pull it.” And they made that decision to pull it and we watched the [World Trade Center 7] building collapse.
9/11 Revealed and other conspiracy theorists put forward the notion that Mr. Silverstein’s suggestion to “pull it” is slang for intentionally demolishing the WTC 7 building.
Facts: On September 9, 2005, Mr. Dara McQuillan, a spokesman for Silverstein Properties, issued the following statement on this issue:
Seven World Trade Center collapsed at 5:20 p.m. on September 11, 2001, after burning for seven hours. There were no casualties, thanks to the heroism of the Fire Department and the work of Silverstein Properties employees who evacuated tenants from the building.
The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) conducted a thorough investigation of the collapse of all the World Trade Center buildings. The FEMA report concluded that the collapse of Seven World Trade Center was a direct result of fires triggered by debris from the collapse of WTC Tower 1.
In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the building.
Later in the day, the Fire Commander ordered his firefighters out of the building and at 5:20 p.m. the building collapsed. No lives were lost at Seven World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.
As noted above, when Mr. Silverstein was recounting these events for a television documentary he stated, “I said, you know, we've had such terrible loss of life. Maybe the smartest thing to do is to pull it.” Mr. McQuillan has stated that by “it,” Mr. Silverstein meant the contingent of firefighters remaining in the building.
The National Institute of Standards and Technology has stated unequivocally, “NIST has seen so evidence that the collapse of WTC 7 was caused by bombs, missiles, or controlled demolition,” in its Collapse of WTC 7 report (p. 6). NIST’s working hypothesis for the collapse of WTC 7 is that it was caused by the collapse of a critical column due to “fire and/or debris induced structural damage.” There was substantial damage to WTC 7 when the nearby WTC 1 tower collapsed and fires began shortly afterwards. Also, WTC 7 was a very unusual building because it was built over an existing Con-Edison power generation substation, which contained two large 6,000 gallon fuel tanks for the emergency generation of power. The fuel from these tanks could have contributed to the intense heat that apparently weakened the supporting columns in WTC 7.
If you wish to waste your time, well, it is yours to waste I suppose.
How ever this has been dealt with extensively over the past 5 years here. So I will let you in on the truth.
If you believe that the towers were brought down by controlled implosion then you are an idiot.
Now do as you like.
Please don't post moonbat stuff unless you are willing to post a link to the item under discussion in the article.
This is the third such blithering idiocy I have seen posted recently and I am not on that much!
All with old sign up dates too.
I'm not a troll. I have posted here since 1998, using a different screename (I was never banned or asked to leave- and was only suspended once that I know of because I posted a Tom Cruise/Katie Holmes baby article in the main forum instead of chat [by accident]). The very fact that I can't ask the question is not good. I posted this in general/chat. If I were a troll, don't you think that I would have tried posting in the main forum? I am trying to ask a serious question from people I trust to give me good reasons to reject the conspiracy kooks.
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