Posted on 03/08/2006 5:49:56 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing
Michael Dell, chairman of Dell Inc. believes in offering Linux on the desktop, server, and workstation. What he doesn't believe in, for now, is giving Linux full support on the desktop. In an exclusive interview, Dell explained his company's Linux desktop strategy to DesktopLinux.com's Steven J. Vaughan Nichols.
"People are always asking us to support Linux on the desktop, but the question is: 'Which Linux are you talking about?'," Dell asked.
(Excerpt) Read more at desktoplinux.com ...
Prove what you say. Remember? Those accusations that you made days ago and attributed to me and never provided a post where I said them? Specifically, when you stated that I said Google was making an OS, IBM was deploying Linux internally, or that Dell was making a desktop system? Surely you haven't forgotten already. Or, considering that you got caught denying your own words, maybe you'll just come out with more dishonesty and say that you never said it.
Remember when I caught you lying about your own post and you said I should have provided a link to your own comments? Why won't you do the same, coward?
You won't because you know it will prove what we already know. You're a pathological, chronic, unashamed liar, completely without character, conscience or regard for the truth. You could shut me up right now if you had that info, but you know you can't, because you know you've been caught lying yet again.
You posted on all these Dell threads, plus the Google threads, etc, as your history shows, all of which were nothing but the normal "Linux Lies" you boys are famous for. Now you and the college kid somehow think you can cover it all up by insulting me, when all it really does is further prove your ignorance, since obviously I'm the one who has been exactly right on these threads all along. So go ahead, continue your laughable denials all you want, but the record is clear, and you boys have already been tarred as the long time liars, something that's apparently not about to change.
My recommendation, if you EVER want any credibility on these subjects, is to at least learn the terminology, such as what a "desktop" computer for the "home market" is, or the difference in a faq and a license, etc, because until you learn these simple basics, you're not going to be able to do anything other than continue your hate filled rants that have no actual basis in fact or reality.
"Now you and the college kid somehow think you can cover it all up by insulting me..."
Another lie. I've been trying for the past couple of days to UNCOVER the truth behind what you said about me. You're the one hiding something. You haven't posted a single link that proves it, yet again.
This is because you're a pathological liar. If you had the proof to shut me up, you'd use it.
Post links or shut up, liar. Prove what you said about me.
Those laws were at best useless and at worst damaging. They worked in a Cold War environment, but their time was at an end.
They didn't work because other countries all over the world were getting the ability to program complex systems too. Linux was started and grew overseas when the controls were in full force. Also, basic textbooks of things such as cryptography allowed all programmers in the world to make effective encryption. This mean that everyone could have encryption, although we forbade its export.
So, US companies couldn't export their high-encryption products overseas, while the foreign competitors had such encryption. They could compete in our market, but we couldn't compete in theirs. The regulation was damaging our businesses with no real positive effect on security.
BTW, the champion of those restrictions that you love was Al Gore, the same guy who wanted to have the keys for all encryption in the country.
Why must you lie with every post? I already gave a single link to your posting history that showed you commenting on those threads. Here's where I schooled you on one of the Dell threads, since of course you're too ignorant to find it on your own:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1585665/posts?page=200#200
Yes, that's right, you didn't even know what the difference between a "desktop" and a "workstation" was! ROFL, how much more clueless could someone be? Funniest of all, you probably STILL don't understand, LMAO! Now you're reduced to lying that you ever even posted on these threads! I'm sure you'll now just sling more insults and lies, being all you've ever been capable of, which obviously hasn't changed. Why don't you just go ahead and smash your computer, and be done with it, LOL.
Um...your ADHD is acting up again...#200 is YOUR post, not mine, dolt.
You ARE joking, right?
Good Lord...what's it been now...like 3 days? You still haven't presented one post that proves what you say.
I'm still waiting...
So you not only constantly defend free technology for China and Iran (and whoever else wants it), now you're defending Clinton for removing the laws from our books that restricted it.
I'd say my work here is pretty much done, you and the flamer can whine some more if you want, but the record now clearly shows where you stand, and trading further insults simply isn't necessary.
Gold Eagle Out
For those who don't yet know...
Golden Eagle is a pathological liar and hypocrite. Here are examples:
Here, he complains that Cedega's not free: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1591595/posts?page=115#115
and then, mocks another user for suggesting that Cedega be free: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1591595/posts?page=134#134
then complains that Linux is free: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1530486/posts?page=40#40
and here he is, recommending free Solaris: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1490554/posts?page=21#21
Here he is, criticizing Linux because it doesn't run Windows apps: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1591595/posts#115
and copping out when challenged about Windows inability to run Linux apps: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1591595/posts#118
Here he is, recommending Solaris, which doesn't run Windows apps: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1490554/posts?page=21#21
...and Apple, which doesn't either: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1573697/posts?page=9#9
Here, he's criticizing others for namecalling: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1584107/posts?page=29#29
And here he is, namecalling: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1583531/posts?page=61#61
Here's where he refers to Dell "systems": http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1585665/posts?page=35#35
Then denies his own words: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1585665/posts?page=137#137
then blames me for it all, saying I should have reminded him of his own words: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1585665/posts?page=165#165
Then, here's where he makes more false accusations of ME: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1592292/posts?page=90#90
and here's where I ask him to prove I said the things he accused me of: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1592292/posts?page=92#92
And refuses to provide a link to MY posts (he just linked to my history instead): http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1592292/posts?page=95#95
And fails again to prove what he says: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1592292/posts?page=99#99
And yet again, repeating the accusations, but failing to provide proof: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1592292/posts?page=122#122
And now, where his "proof" is something I didn't even post: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?page=125#125
and here is where he demands that someone ELSE provide a link to prove what THEY said: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1568848/posts?page=68#68
and here is where he claims he will admit mistakes, despite the fact that he hasn't admitted this one: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592494/posts?page=43#43
Here he is claiming that Red Hat has a couple of hundred Linux kernel developers: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1527263/posts?page=75#75
And here he is claiming no one knows how many kernel developers work for Red Hat: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1527263/posts?page=77#77
Here's where he hijacked the Open Source Ping List, and the ensuing discussion: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1571222/posts?page=8#8
Here he is ridiculing another poster for using bold fonts to make a point: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1493462/posts?page=130#130
And here he is using bold fonts to make a point: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?page=106#106
Here he is defending Microsoft's contributions to Planned Parenthood: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1492595/posts?page=22#22
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Corrections to above links:
Here he is, criticizing Linux because it doesn't run Windows apps: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1591595/posts?q=1&&page=101#115
and copping out when challenged about Windows inability to run Linux apps: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1591595/posts?page=118#118
Here, he complains that Cedega's not free
No I didn't, I wondered why you were advocating purchasing a product to emmulate something, instead of just buying the original to begin with.
mocks another user for suggesting that Cedega be free
Nope, I was guessing that particular poster didn't like it since they charge a price to use it, and most of you open source guys want everything to be free.
then complains that Linux is free
No, I was specifically complaining that China takes a free copy of Red Hat, from North Carolina, and renames and resells it as "Red Flag" in China, something you're obviously perfectly content with.
and here he is, recommending free Solaris
Sure was, and always have, since it's not GPL and uses a US commercial license that prevents the Chinese from forking it off on their own, like you approve of them doing with Linux, which is GPL based.
criticizing Linux because it doesn't run Windows apps
Simply responding to someone's claim that Linux ran commercial apps perfectly, when in fact it runs very very few.
recommending Solaris, which doesn't run Windows apps
I never said that it did, I simply recommend most any software that isn't GPL, or has the copyrights controlled by Richard Stallman etc.
...and Apple
That's right, a great product, and not given away to the Iranians and Cubans and Chicoms like you love to do with your Linux.
criticizing others for namecalling
Which is about all I get from you people, since you refuse to address the dangers of giving free technology to North Korea and other anti-US governments, which you clearly support.
makes more false accusations of ME
Hardly, those are right on the money as I showed later in the thread by linking your comments. Besides you're such an easy target it's hard not to get a complete broadside.
Here he is claiming that Red Hat has a couple of hundred Linux kernel developers
Another one of your bald faced lies, check the link for yourself, I said "Linux developers", not "Linux kernel developers" as you claimed I said.
he hijacked the Open Source Ping List
| ROFL, that is hysterical, you boys claim you like open source, but when somebody else tries to use your supposed open source you howl like a stuck pig. Truly shows you boys are afraid to practice what you preach.
using bold fonts to make a point
Simply trying to make the point with you that giving free technology to brutal regimes in dangerous, since you obviously disagree and want to attack me for pointing your position on the issue out to everyone.
defending Microsoft's contributions to Planned Parenthood
No I was proving that the poster who said Bill Gate's donations went to abortions was a lie, since their donation agreements to various organizations strictly prohibit it being used for that purpose.
Thanks for linking those, so everyone who's interested can see the context and who the perpetual liar is, being you, the obsessed Stallman worshiper you apparently and misfortunately are. Believe me, with a name like "FLAMING DEATH", no one is surprised you're a deranged raving lunatic anyway.
Guess I hit a nerve.
"LOL, with your skills that must have taken a couple of weeks."
Imagine how long it would have taken you. You can't even find what you posted the day before.
Most of what you said speaks for itself, and your spinning isn't going to change what you clearly said, so no rebuttal for most of your post is necessary. But a few of your denials are positively priceless, so I'll talk about them here...
"Hardly, those [accusations] are right on the money as I showed later in the thread by linking your comments. Besides you're such an easy target it's hard not to get a complete broadside."
You linked to my posting history and one specific comment, which was, by the way, yours, not mine. If you think this proves anything, then you probably need to get started on that GED. You have failed on every opportunity to provide me with just ONE of my comments that proves what you say. This is because you are a pathological liar.
"Another one of your bald faced lies, check the link for yourself, I said "Linux developers", not "Linux kernel developers" as you claimed I said."
Here are your exact words:
"Typical, you make these broad assertions of fact but never have any proof. Red Hat has literally hundreds of kernel devs and you have no proof of how many total contributions they have made. They came up with RPM, which is the standard package manager, to start." - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1527263/posts?page=49#49
Unbelieveable. I just caught you lying again. Do you ever get tired of getting spanked?
"using bold fonts to make a point
Simply trying to make the point..."
And criticizing others for doing the same. Where I come from, that makes you one of those "hypocrites".
"No I was proving that the poster who said Bill Gate's donations went to abortions was a lie, since their donation agreements to various organizations strictly prohibit it being used for that purpose."
Yeah, and as we all know, once you give Planned Parenthood money, you can really trust them to do the right thing with it, huh? Amazing what you'll justify in order to try to save your horribly damaged credibility.
"Thanks for linking those, so everyone who's interested can see the context and who the perpetual liar is, being you..."
Your words speak for themselves, but you're too dense to realize your credibility just got taken to the woodshed.
"the obsessed Stallman worshiper you apparently and misfortunately are. "
Another lie from the pathological liar. Find a post where I've said anything, positive or negative, about Stallman. Oh wait, you're still working on finding a post where I said something about Dell making desktops, IBM deploying Linux, and Google making an OS.
Why do you lie so much? Don't we have enough to argue about without you making stuff up out of thin air? Seriously, this whole thing is fascinating for me, because I don't believe I've ever met such a habitual liar in real life. That's a good thing, BTW.
So, why DO you feel it necessary to lie so much? And, once again, where have I said anything about Google OS, Dell making Linux desktops, Linux deployment within IBM, or now, anything about liking Richard Stallman? Why can't you give me ONE POST that backs up what you say, instead choosing to fling more lies to cover your trail?
You really need to get up to date. Operating systems have become commoditized. Any modern country can make one, most CS courses have writing a basic operating system as a project. This isn't the 80s with the USSR trying to get a copy of VMS, this is the modern day where you can grab a bunch of programmers and have an equivalent running in a couple of years. China certainly has the resources for that.
Our government simply changed with the times. Instead of burying our heads in the sand and isolating ourselves technologically, we jumped in to the international trade in technology.
But I see you're on Gore's side on this issue, useless controls that do nothing but hurt our businesses.
I'd say my work here is pretty much done
Yeah, Flaming pretty much nailed you with your own posts.
Whatever Flamer, you've still not proven anything I said was wrong, including exactly how many Linux devs Red Hat has, kernel or otherwise.
The bigger issue tremains, which you think you can avoid by screaming insults constantly, is that the Red Chinese, Russians, Iranins etc etc etc all get Red Hat's software completely for free, which they immediately rename to things like "Red Flag" or "Asianux".
But no, you won't dare touch those subjects, and instead act like there's something wrong with me for pointing it out! Which you can be certain I will continue to do, because people like you need to be exposed as the sellouts you are.
Ouch, slam dunk! I do find that unlikely though. Red Hat has a bit over 900 employees, including management, administrative, sales, public support, internal support/IT, and developers for the vast majority of what ships with Red Hat that is not the Linux kernel, in addition to any kernel developers. I doubt they would have 200+ ("hundreds") working on the kernel alone, which is about 38 MB (source) out of the gigabytes that comprise a Red Hat distribution.
I'm still waiting for his apology for libel against Halfmanhalfamazing.
People who get ideological with their software annoy me, no matter which side they're on.
Total bull, operating systems are NOT commododized, else they would all be free like some versions of L/unix are. Obviously this is your dream, allowing anyone in the world the right to download them for free, but we are nowhere near that, nor will we be anytime soon if ever.
You: Another one of your bald faced lies, check the link for yourself, I said "Linux developers", not "Linux kernel developers" as you claimed I said.
A post of yours reads: Red Hat has literally hundreds of kernel devs
Whoops! You did later start saying Linux developers. So are you just lying or can we chalk this up to ignorance as to what Linux actually is? Don't be ashamed, a lot of the non-technical public gets confused.
"The bigger issue tremains [sic], which you think you can avoid by screaming insults constantly, is that the Red Chinese, Russians, Iranins etc etc etc all get Red Hat's software completely for free, which they immediately rename to things like "Red Flag" or "Asianux"."
No the only issue that "tremains" (should we be charitable and call this a literary reference?) is that until you have decided to stop mischaracterizing others' points of view and lying outright, you're not going to get anywhere on this forum.
BTW, does spinning like that make you dizzy?
You boys still haven't proven anything I said was wrong, and are obviously doing anything humanly possible to avoid admitting you support free technology transfers to current and potential adversaries, which you obviously do.
I've proven that several things you said were wrong. Just because you choose to ignore your own lies doesn't mean that they haven't been proven wrong.
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