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Eight States Plan to Ban the Sale of Gas-Powered Vehicles as Joe Biden Issues New Rules to Begin Killing Them Off
The Gateway Pundit ^ | March 28, 2024 | Cullen Linebargar

Posted on 03/28/2024 6:01:48 PM PDT by Macho MAGA Man

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To: WildHighlander57

The Ca emissions package is one thing banning the engine is quite another. Your post strikes me as disingenuous


41 posted on 03/29/2024 6:32:40 AM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: Macho MAGA Man
***Eight States Plan to Ban the Sale of Gas-Powered Vehicles as Joe Biden Issues New Rules to Begin Killing Them Off***

DICTATORSHIP! Americans must wake up and react accordinglyā¯—

42 posted on 03/29/2024 6:52:55 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrap Party is the enemy of freedom.They use all the seductions and deceits of the Bolshevics)
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To: gibsonguy

gibsonguy wrote:


The Ca emissions package is one thing banning the engine is quite another. Your post strikes me as disingenuous.

Not disingenuous, but fact.


43 posted on 03/29/2024 7:59:25 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((the more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.) )
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To: WildHighlander57

Actually it can be both.


44 posted on 03/29/2024 8:13:40 AM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: FoxInSocks

First this is an actual tenth amendment issue. Where the feds do not have the charter or the legal standing via a law passed by Congress to ban ICE engines. The EPA is rouge in this case and Congress refuses to address the issue so the EPA has standing while Congress twiddle their.thumbs. That said the tenth amendment does give the individual states the power over everything not enumerated in articles one through three hence yes if a state wants to ban something they certainly can within their borders as our founders intended each state was prior to Lincolns illegal war against the states a sovereign state. The united States of America lower case was on purpose.

As for...

The neighboring states will do booming business.

No they won’t why because California will not allow a resident to go out of state bring back a vehicle them register it get a title or plates either. They already do this with 2010 or older diesel trucks you either modify the truck to post 2010 emissions standards or remove it from the state as it’s plates and.registration are voided out. California will do the same for out of state vehicles post model year 2030 or whatever the law will if it is not already in the laws will read no out of state vehicle purchased,acquired or imported by any means post model year 203X will be granted title,licence or registration.

That loophole won’t be there for sure. The other 8 states will all have similar laws on books passed by their legislature and signed by their governors so carrying full force of law not just some agency mandate.

States have the charter to make their own laws the commerce clause has been so abused. I would expect a challenge from outside states based on the CC but the Supremes historically don’t get into state in state.fights they just let things stand in each state as written.


45 posted on 03/29/2024 7:42:20 PM PDT by GenXPolymath
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To: WildHighlander57
The only chance to save us from the misery of electric cars is Trump winning and it is the last chance.

Wven if Trump wins, it'll only postpone the inevitable. The next President will be Gavin Newsom.

46 posted on 03/29/2024 7:48:45 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: lizma2

“Driving an EV is the equivalent of spending $17 dollars a gallon for gas!”

At least argue from a point of fact that sound bite was proven to be false long ago. The “study” came to that cost by including the cost of all the charging station capital expense into the total cost not what the actual cost for the electricity delivered as product.

Today you can go to a Tesla supercharger during peak time and they will sell you a kWh for 43 cents. That kWh will take a 5 passenger sedan such as the model 3 five and half miles down the road. It takes 180 watt hours per mile. That’s a cost per mile of 7.73 cents per mile.

A virtually identical sized S60 Volvo gets 28 mpg under identical traffic conditions I have driven both so these are real world Houston in July A.C. On numbers. A gallon of 93 which the T5 must have was $3.19 today. 3.19/28= 11.39 cents per mile.

So what is the per gallon equal at 7.73 cents per mile? Easy 7.73*28= $2.16

So the supercharger at peak times is putting out the equal to $2.16 a gallon on a equal cost per mile driven basis. That’s no where near $17

From a L2 dryer sized 50 amp plug in the garage you can charge up over night. retail power in Texas is 9 cents per kWh so the same Model 3 goes 5.5 miles on 9 cents worth of retail power or 1.63 cents per mile.

Put another way how cheap would gas need to be for a 28 mpg car to have a 1.63 cents per mile fuel cost. 28*1.63= 45.81 cents PER GALLON so no it is not $17 a gallon that was lying with number shenaniganry.

EVs are not for everyone but as a urbanite commuter car and daily driver they are impossible to beat on a cost per mile basis. Even at peak supercharger rates they are cheaper than retail gasoline today from home not even Saudi Arabia prices can touch the cost per mile.

Mind you this is in a car that costs 25,000 one year old with less than 20,000 miles. My S60 is heavier by curb weight. And cost 58,000 one year old and 18,000 miles so the capex invested in a Model 3 is half a similar sized car.


47 posted on 03/29/2024 8:19:55 PM PDT by GenXPolymath
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48 posted on 03/29/2024 8:35:28 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (TH)
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To: lizma2

I did the math yesterday what a HOA that installed a 120/60kw dual plug gun charger could make in net revenue allowing charging 12 hours per day and one car over night. With three cars per gun per day and one over night the yearly total net revenue selling power at 43 cents per kWh which is what Tesla charges nom Tesla users at its SC network. The total was over 150,000 per year with only those sporadic charging station uses.

People there were like the transformer at the condo plex won’t have 120kw spare on its 277v three phase. So I looked up what my local electric co would want for a 7200v three phase directly from the overhead pole into a buried cable drop to a 250kva green box transformer $12,500 including the cables and the wiring to the pad. Those green box 250kva has been $5000 until very recently now they are 32,000 but one of those green box transformer will power two of the 120kw dual plug gun chargers. So now you have $333,000 per year in net revenue charging 3 hours per gun during the day and one over night with weekends having hourly charging from 7am till 7 pm and one overnight. The power line transformer install capex is covered in the first couple months then it’s all positive revenue the chargers are only 11,500 each and if your location already has 208/277/480v service in three phase with 120kva open bobs your uncle.

A four gun set up could service 28 residents EV just with overnight charging once a week which is what the typical urbanite would need most people in cities drive under 300 miles per week well inside the range of a mid sized EV. Since that mid sized EV would only need an hour to put in the 55 to 60 kWh that the whole pack holds. With weekend spots you add 12 times 4 more residents weekly charge needs that’s 48 more residents weekly charge needs. At those kind of usage rates those chargers are generating over $300,000 each per year in net revenue selling power at 43 cents with commercial power rates of 6 cents. Industrial power in Texas is 4 to 5 cents per kWh so your charges make even more revenue if you have 480v three phase industrial metered power.

The money looks so good I am approaching a condo unit community with this exact proposal I will fund the three phase on-site power drop, the brand new transformer dedicated so it does zero impact on existing unit power quality or demands and two 120kw two gun CCS and NACS comparable guns. The local power company confirmed they have 12,000 volt three phase with thousands of kva of available capacity on that sub feeder line. If approved by the HOA I expect to clear $250,000 each in net revenue the first year and 300K+ each year after that. 600K in passive revenue from two 12,000 units a 32,000 transformer and 13 ish grand in cables. That’s ROI worth grinning about. The condo unit gets to add on-site fast DC charging as a selling point for the community. Having exclusive access over night for residents only at that. This condo unit is in central Austin so Teslas are all around.


49 posted on 03/29/2024 8:58:54 PM PDT by GenXPolymath
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To: Dick Bachert

I don’t buy the climate change at all, in fact as a geoscientist I have seen the evidence against it. That is completely separate from the fact that for many urban and suburban users an EV can drastically cut their cost per mile while having a sunk capital coat less than an ICE car. Most urbanites don’t go more than a few as in 30 miles or less per day so a 300 mile range EV is 99% of all.driving for the two.trips farther than 400 miles per year on avg a rental car for a few days or even a week makes better fiscal sense.

Plus no one has a oil well a s refinery in their back yard but you can have enough 450 watt panels to not only run your whole house with but also charge hundreds of miles per week of am EV. The dotgovs cannot turn off the sun they can and will at some point turn off the gas pumps. Sooner in California and these 8 states but eventually by 2035 or 40 you won’t be able to buy gasoline retail. Alcohol yes ,probably synthetic fuels too but liquid from the ground hydrocarbons no. The oligarchy that really runs the planet has said so and without armed rebellion which is never going to happen with more than half the people actually in fighting age and shape are on board with the commies.

If the system changes adapt or perish in a business sense.


50 posted on 03/29/2024 9:09:56 PM PDT by GenXPolymath
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