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GIBBON, GUNS AND GOVERNMENT
Powerline ^ | 22 Dec 2023 | Lloyd Billingsley

Posted on 12/23/2023 8:49:52 AM PST by Rummyfan

In the course of writing Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Edward Gibbon encountered Mohammed, who pursued the Jews with “implacable hatred” to the end of his life. The historian also called out Theodoric the Great, the Ostrogoth king who invaded Italy in 488 AD and “condescended to disarm the unwarlike natives of Italy, interdicting all weapons of offence, and excepting only a small knife for domestic use.” Call it an early display of the totalitarian mindset.

Wherever they hold sway, modern totalitarians disarm the people of firearms and ammunition. For details, see Gun Control in the Third Reich: Disarming Jews and “Enemies of the State,” by Stephen Halbrook. Hitler’s National Socialists used the registration records of the Weimar Republic to identify and disarm gun owners.

As Halbrook shows in Gun Control in Nazi-Occupied France: Tyranny and Resistance, the Nazis confiscated all firearms, even antique hunting rifles. That left the people vulnerable to wholesale slaughter. On June 10, 1944, four days after D-Day, troops of the 4th SS Panzer Regiment surrounded the village of Oradour-sur-Glane in central France. The attackers killed 245 women and 207 children, including six below the age of six months.

The 196 men killed included seven Jewish refugees from other parts of France. Of the 648 people murdered in the village, only 50 could be identified. The Nazis locked the women and children in the village church, shot indiscriminately, and set the victims on fire. The rest of the village was then looted and set ablaze.

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TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; disarm

1 posted on 12/23/2023 8:49:52 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Rummyfan

It doesn’t matter what history teaches. Guns make liberals feel bad. It’s feelings that matter most.


2 posted on 12/23/2023 8:53:08 AM PST by packagingguy
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To: packagingguy
Guns make liberals feel bad.

That's where you are wrong. They love guns, just not in the hands of their enemies.

3 posted on 12/23/2023 8:54:59 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Rummyfan

Money I have.

Freedom I don’t.

Time to buy more bullets.


4 posted on 12/23/2023 8:55:38 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Objective: Permanently break the will of the population to ever wage war again.)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Money I have. Freedom I don’t.

Not a lot of time left either. The speed of our collapse is astonishing.

5 posted on 12/23/2023 9:00:04 AM PST by Sirius Lee (I am going to keep SPAMming the meme "I see Freepers bickering..." where applicable)
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To: Rummyfan

I believe the requirements to establish a totalitarian government is to first destroy the Middle Class and then disarm the general population. Gee, that kinda describes the Left’s plans for us today.


6 posted on 12/23/2023 9:01:05 AM PST by antidemoncrat
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To: Rummyfan

“A typical nitrary (Germany, circa 1580) with leaching deposits (C) filled with decaying vegetal material mixed with manure. A worker collects effloresced saltpeter from deposits, transporting it then to be concentrated in the factory (A) boilers.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltpetre_works


7 posted on 12/23/2023 9:23:20 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Uncle Miltie

Yup. Powder’s now a victim of Bidenflation too. Get ammo now or pay more later if you can even find any.


8 posted on 12/23/2023 9:27:19 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Rummyfan

Anyone that says they should be disarmed deserve what they get. But we need to draw the line on not imposing their idiocy upon the rest of us.


9 posted on 12/23/2023 9:31:38 AM PST by Reno89519 (It's war. No one murders and takes Americans hostage. Time to act. Declare war on Islamic Hamas.)
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To: Rummyfan

The Confederacy had an expert chemist who ensured it did not lack gunpowder.

Urine, manure and rakes are readily available and always will be.


10 posted on 12/23/2023 9:34:56 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Billthedrill

My brother reloaded to save money.


11 posted on 12/23/2023 9:37:48 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Rummyfan

“Gibbon and Mohammedanism”

https://egrove.olemiss.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1102&context=ms_studies_eng

It is worth noting page 19.


12 posted on 12/23/2023 9:49:09 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Rummyfan

“Whether you measure in blood or treasure, the IED also proved the costliest feature of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for American forces. 60 percent of all American fatalities in Iraq and half of all American fatalities in Afghanistan, more than 3,500 in total, were caused by IEDs. The same proportion holds for Americans who were wounded, totaling more than 30,000 service members.”

“Among the insurgent’s standard complement of arms — bullets, mortars, grenades — the IED provides unique advantages. The IED, after all, is a weapon that waits. It does not require the insurgent to expose himself to employ it, balancing risk in favor of the bomber.”

https://warontherocks.com/2017/05/how-the-ied-won-dispelling-the-myth-of-tactical-success-and-innovation/


13 posted on 12/23/2023 10:02:45 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Rummyfan

How the Nazis Used Gun Control
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By Stephen P. Halbrook

December 2, 2013 9:00 AM
The Weimar Republic’s well-intentioned gun registry became a tool for evil.

The perennial gun-control debate in America did not begin here. The same arguments for and against were made in the 1920s in the chaos of Germany’s Weimar Republic, which opted for gun registration. Law-abiding persons complied with the law, but the Communists and Nazis committing acts of political violence did not.
In 1931, Weimar authorities discovered plans for a Nazi takeover in which Jews would be denied food and persons refusing to surrender their guns within 24 hours would be executed. They were written by Werner Best, a future Gestapo official. In reaction to such threats, the government authorized the registration of all firearms and the confiscation thereof, if required for “public safety.” The interior minister warned that the records must not fall into the hands of any extremist group.

In 1933, the ultimate extremist group, led by Adolf Hitler, seized power and used the records to identify, disarm, and attack political opponents and Jews. Constitutional rights were suspended, and mass searches for and seizures of guns and dissident publications ensued. Police revoked gun licenses of Social Democrats and others who were not “politically reliable.”

During the five years of repression that followed, society was “cleansed” by the National Socialist regime. Undesirables were placed in camps where labor made them “free,” and normal rights of citizenship were taken from Jews. The Gestapo banned independent gun clubs and arrested their leaders. Gestapo counsel Werner Best issued a directive to the police forbidding issuance of firearm permits to Jews.

In 1938, Hitler signed a new Gun Control Act. Now that many “enemies of the state” had been removed from society, some restrictions could be slightly liberalized, especially for Nazi Party members. But Jews were prohibited from working in the firearms industry, and .22 caliber hollow-point ammunition was banned.

The time had come to launch a decisive blow to the Jewish community, to render it defenseless so that its “ill-gotten” property could be redistributed as an entitlement to the German “Volk.” The German Jews were ordered to surrender all their weapons, and the police had the records on all who had registered them. Even those who gave up their weapons voluntarily were turned over to the Gestapo.

This took place in the weeks before what became known as the Night of the Broken Glass, or Kristallnacht, occurred in November 1938. That the Jews were disarmed before it, minimizing any risk of resistance, is the strongest evidence that the pogrom was planned in advance. An incident was needed to justify unleashing the attack.

That incident would be the shooting of a German diplomat in Paris by a teenage Polish Jew. Hitler directed propaganda minister Josef Goebbels to orchestrate the Night of the Broken Glass. This massive operation, allegedly conducted as a search for weapons, entailed the ransacking of homes and businesses, and the arson of synagogues.

SS chief Heinrich Himmler decreed that 20 years be served in a concentration camp by any Jew possessing a firearm. Rusty revolvers and bayonets from the Great War were confiscated from Jewish veterans who had served with distinction. Twenty thousand Jewish men were thrown into concentration camps, and had to pay ransoms to get released.

The U.S. media covered the above events. And when France fell to Nazi invasion in 1940, the New York Times reported that the French were deprived of rights such as free speech and firearm possession just as the Germans had been. Frenchmen who failed to surrender their firearms within 24 hours were subject to the death penalty.
No wonder that in 1941, just days before the Pearl Harbor attack, Congress reaffirmed Second Amendment rights and prohibited gun registration. In 1968, bills to register guns were debated, with opponents recalling the Nazi experience and supporters denying that the Nazis ever used registration records to confiscate guns. The bills were defeated, as every such proposal has been ever since, including recent “universal background check” bills.

As in Weimar Germany, some well-meaning people today advocate severe restrictions, including bans and registration, on gun ownership by law-abiding persons. Such proponents are in no sense “Nazis,” any more than were the Weimar officials who promoted similar restrictions. And it would be a travesty to compare today’s situation to the horrors of Nazi Germany.

Still, as history teaches, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.


14 posted on 12/23/2023 11:01:20 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Rummyfan

Can someone give me the Cliff Notes version of why Mohammad hated Jews?


15 posted on 12/23/2023 11:22:10 AM PST by AlaskaErik (There are three kinds of rats: Rats, Damned Rats, and DemocRats.)
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To: AlaskaErik

Following


16 posted on 12/23/2023 11:31:35 AM PST by magyar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

“The bills were defeated, as every such proposal has been ever since, including recent “universal background check” bills.”

Not anymore. Starting in January, IL residents have to register their ‘banned’ rifles, shotguns and pistols with the state. I’m sure all of the gangs and ferals in Cook County are going to line right up to comply.


17 posted on 12/23/2023 11:34:14 AM PST by Tacrolimus1mg (Do no harm, but take no sh!t.)
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To: Uncle Miltie; Sirius Lee
Get what you need TODAY.

Prices on ammo and reloading components are going to soar to new heights, after 1-1-24.

18 posted on 12/23/2023 1:44:36 PM PST by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: Brian Griffin

Is the push to rid the use of Nitrogen, part of the way they will control the private manufacture of materials for powder? No food, and no ability to make powder?


19 posted on 12/23/2023 11:38:44 PM PST by Glad2bnuts (“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: We should have set up ambushes...paraphrased)
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To: Glad2bnuts

Manure, is a byproduct of cows, dogs, horses, sheep et al. No food, no manure just a little bit of straw.


20 posted on 12/23/2023 11:41:30 PM PST by Glad2bnuts (“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: We should have set up ambushes...paraphrased)
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