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DISSECTING THE WASHINGTON POST’S “ANALYSIS” OF UKRAINE’S FAILED COUNTER OFFENSIVE — PART 2
Sonar 21 ^ | 8 Dec23 | Larry Johnson

Posted on 12/08/2023 5:24:17 PM PST by delta7

This two part series in the Washington Post is a must read because of what it tells the reader about the abysmal performance of the White House and the Department of Defense. I found it genuinely shocking. I knew that Biden, Austin and Milley were bad. I just did not appreciate how bad. On a scale of 1 to 10, with a 10 marking the biggest fuck up in history, these guys rate an 11.

Part two, In Ukraine, a war of incremental gains as counteroffensive stalls, pushes the false narrative that what is happening on the ground in Ukraine is a “stalemate.” No. What is going on is a major ass kicking by Russia. Here is the definition of a stalemate in chess, which also applies to war:

A stalemate is a special type of draw in the game of chess that occurs when the chess player who has to move cannot make any legal moves to a safe square but is also not in check. Stalemate typically ends the game with a draw—a scenario in which there is no way for either player to win the game. No way for Russia to win? Think again. By decimating Ukraine’s army that is precisely a path to victory.

Part 2 describes in detail how the U.S. designed plan of attack fell apart during the first week of the counter offensive.

The Ukrainian troops had expected minefields but were blindsided by the density. The ground was carpeted with explosives, so many that some were buried in stacks. The soldiers had been trained to drive their Bradleys at a facility in Germany, on smooth terrain. But on the mushy soil of the Zaporizhzhia region, in the deafening noise of battle, they struggled to steer through the narrow lanes cleared of mines by advance units. . . .

By day four, Gen. Valery Zaluzhny, Ukraine’s top commander, had seen enough. Incinerated Western military hardware — American Bradleys, German Leopard tanks, mine-sweeping vehicles — littered the battlefield. The numbers of dead and wounded sapped morale. . . .

Rather than try to breach Russian defenses with a massed, mechanized attack and supporting artillery fire, as his American counterparts had advised, Zaluzhny decided that Ukrainian soldiers would go on foot in small groups of about 10 — a process that would save equipment and lives but would be much slower. Zaluzhny’s alternative proved to be equally brain dead. Sending guys in on foot over several kilometers requires them to carry in excess of 60 kilograms of gear, ammunition, food and water. If you think that is easy then you have never hoisted a heavy pack on your back and tried to walk over uneven ground. But once these Ukrainian soldiers reached the line of conflict, they ran out of ammunition within a half hour. Who was going to resupply them? The answer — NOBODY!!

Here are the Key Findings from Part 2:

● Seventy percent of troops in one of the brigades leading the counteroffensive, and equipped with the newest Western weapons, entered battle with no combat experience.

● Ukraine’s setbacks on the battlefield led to rifts with the United States over how best to cut through deep Russian defenses.

● The commander of U.S. forces in Europe couldn’t get in touch with Ukraine’s top commander for weeks in the early part of the campaign amid tension over the American’s second-guessing of battlefield decisions.

● Each side blamed the other for mistakes or miscalculations. U.S. military officials concluded that Ukraine had fallen short in basic military tactics, including the use of ground reconnaissance to understand the density of minefields. Ukrainian officials said the Americans didn’t seem to comprehend how attack drones and other technology had transformed the battlefield.

● In all, Ukraine has retaken only about 200 square miles of territory, at a cost of thousands of dead and wounded and billions in Western military aid in 2023 alone. If you take the time to read the entire article you will come to the realization that this debacle is totally the fault of the U.S. military planners. Arrogance and hubris combined to send the Ukrainians off on a mission that genuinely was impossible. No army in the world can breach fortified defensive positions without air power. Hell, that is the fundamental principle of U.S. combined arms. And yet that is precisely what the U.S. demanded the Ukrainians do. Madness!!!

The 47th had been selected to be a “breach force” at the tip of the counteroffensive and would be equipped with Western arms. But as Milley made his rounds and chatted with Ukrainian soldiers — from young men in their 20s to middle-aged recruits — many they told him that they had only recently left civilian life and had no combat experience. The combat maneuvers that Milley and other U.S. commanders expected the Ukrainians to perform are difficult for U.S. soldiers who have had 14 months of training under their belts. In the case of Ukraine, the United States insisted that a motley collection of inexperienced recruits do this with two months of training. What the fuck did Milley and Austin think would happen?

U.S. and Ukrainian officials said they never expected that two months of training would transform these troops into a NATO-like force. Instead, the intention was to teach them to properly use their new Western tanks and fighting vehicles and “make them literate in the basics of firing and moving,” a U.S. seniormilitary official said. This is nothing short of military malpractice on the part of the U.S. and Ukrainian commanders. They provided the recruits enough information to get them on the battlefield where they could be slaughtered.

I wish those U.S. advisors were forced to go to the front and try to execute the orders they were issuing so glibly to the Ukrainians. Here’s a prime example from Part 2:

U.S. military officials believed that Ukraine could have made a more significant advance by embracing greater use of ground reconnaissance units and reducing its reliance on imagery from drones, which weren’t able to detect buried mines, tripwires or booby traps. Sure. Conduct recon while getting shelled with artillery, mortars and attacked by drones. Piece of cake.

The reporters continue to push the lie that Russia relied on human wave assaults:

Throughout the Zaporizhzhia region, the Russians had deployed new units, called “Storm Z,” with fighters recruited from prisons. The former inmates attacked in human waves called “meat assaults” and were used to preserve more-elite forces. Around Robotyne — the village the 47th was supposed to reach on the first day of the counteroffensive — they were mixed in with Russia’s 810th Guards Naval Infantry Brigade and other regular army formations. Where are the graves? Where are the grieving relatives? Just because the “Storm Z” fighters were recently freed convicts did not mean that they had no families or concerned relatives. If so many were killed why was there no social media to corroborate such losses? We certainly see that type of info on the Ukrainian side.

Part 2 of this Washington Post report clearly shows that the Ukrainian leaders had a better grasp on reality than their American counterparts:

The Ukrainians were insistent that the West simply wasn’t giving them the air power and other weapons needed for a combined arms strategy to succeed. “You want us to to proceed with the counteroffensive, you want us to show the brilliant advances on the front line,” said Olha Stefanishyna, deputy prime minister for European and Euro-Atlantic integration of Ukraine. “But we do not have the fighter jets, meaning that you want us to throw our soldiers, you know, and accept the very fact that we cannot protect them.”

When allies said no, she said, “we heard … ‘We are fine that your soldiers will be dying without support from the sky.’”

In an August video conference, soon followed by an in-person meeting near the Poland-Ukraine border, U.S. military officials pressed their case. They said they understood the logic of preoccupying Russian forces at different points on the front, but argued that deep advances would not come unless the Ukrainians massed more forces at a single point to move quickly and decisively.

Zaluzhny, in response, laid out the challenges in stark terms: no air cover, more mines than expected, and a Russian force that was impressively dug in and moving its reserves around effectively to plug gaps. After reading this report I now understand why Ukraine and the West routinely are disparaging the Russian forces as inept, poorly led and bereft of morale — I believe it is a Russian disinformation campaign. The Russians are spreading that information in order to mislead the Ukrainians and their NATO allies. It is being fed to the Western intelligence agencies and they are lapping it up without looking for corroborating information.

Sadly, this. report shows that Western military leaders have not learned a damn thing over the past six months. They repeat the false mantra that the war is a stalemate and continue to delude themselves that Russia is weak and vulnerable. How many more Ukrainians need to die before Washington and London wake up and realize that they have lost?

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In short, what many of us have known, the Ukies are toast….when senile Joes welfare money runs out, the severely corrupted Ukie government collapses, and more importantly, US global war mongering ceases.
1 posted on 12/08/2023 5:24:17 PM PST by delta7
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To: delta7
the Ukies are toast

lol, when?

Russia STILL can't defeat them!

(give the Larry Johnson lies a break)


2 posted on 12/08/2023 5:30:57 PM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - keeping Europe free of Russian invaders for 74 years - you're welcome!)
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To: delta7
Ohnoes!

You've angered Hunka of the North!   

3 posted on 12/08/2023 5:35:56 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: delta7

Another eff up by Biden defense dept.


4 posted on 12/08/2023 5:41:08 PM PST by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: canuck_conservative

Maybe you and Hillary still have your Russia, Russia, Russia deliriums, but even in Kiev, they know better. You’re looking sillier every day riding that dead horse.

https://www.kyivpost.com/analysis/25146


5 posted on 12/08/2023 5:42:02 PM PST by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: delta7

Glory to Ukraine I guess.

(shaking my head)


6 posted on 12/08/2023 5:42:05 PM PST by MNDude
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To: delta7

It’s a sad story. War is hell. The world was at relative peace when Donald Trump was President. It was not a coincidence.


7 posted on 12/08/2023 5:45:54 PM PST by ChessExpert (Required for informed consent: "We have a new, experimental vaccine.")
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To: delta7
No army in the world can breach fortified defensive positions without air power.

Biden's counteroffensive in Ukraine was like Kennedy's Bay of Pigs invasion. The attacking infantry did not have sufficient supporting fires and they were slaughtered.

8 posted on 12/08/2023 5:47:40 PM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: delta7

WWI on the Western front.


9 posted on 12/08/2023 5:51:07 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: canuck_conservative

Part 1…..I see you failed to read all the linked articles….from seperate news agencies….some people NEED to stay in the dark.

The blame game about who lost Ukraine is starting. We know this thanks to the Washington Post, which managed to do some real reporting by publishing a two-part series on Ukraine’s failed counter offensive. Yep, kudos on that. The bad news? The analysis is shallow and repeats many of the false claims made by Ukrainians officials. That’s why I am here. To help you sort out the bullshit. Put on your hip waders. The bottomline is simple — the war is lost and the task of assigning blame is at hand.

The Washington Post pieces are:

Miscalculations, divisions marked offensive planning by U.S., Ukraine

and

In Ukraine, a war of incremental gains as counteroffensive stalls

Let’s start with the “Miscalculations” piece. There is some misdirection and bullshit in this piece that you need to take into account.

On June 15, in a conference room at NATO headquarters in Brussels, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, flanked by top U.S. commanders, sat around a tablewith his Ukrainian counterpart, who was joined by aides from Kyiv. The room was heavy with an air of frustration.

Austin, in his deliberate baritone, asked Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov about Ukraine’s decision–making in the opening days of its long-awaited counteroffensive, pressing him on why his forces weren’t using Western-supplied mine-clearing equipment to enable a larger, mechanized assault, or using smoke to conceal their advances.

Reznikov, a bald, bespectacled lawyer, said Ukraine’s military commanders were the ones making those decisions. But he noted that Ukraine’s armored vehicles were being destroyed by Russian helicopters, drones and artillery with every attempt to advance. Without air support, he said, the only option was to use artillery to shell Russian lines, dismount from the targeted vehicles and proceed on foot. . . .

The meeting in Brussels, less than two weeks into the campaign, illustrates how a counteroffensive born in optimism has failed to deliver its expected punch, generating friction and second-guessing between Washington and Kyiv and raising deeper questions about Ukraine’s ability to retake decisive amounts of territory.
The key takeaway from this opening salvo is that the West knew early on that Ukraine’s counter offensive was not going to work. What is shocking, at least in my opinion, is that clowns like Austin and Milley actually believed they had viable chance to breech Russian lines. The failure of Ukraine is a consequence of two things — first, Ukraine had ZERO fixed wing air power available to employ against Russian positions and second, Ukraine was using inexperienced, poorly trained troops.

Here is the Washington Post’s summary of their key findings in their first report:

● Ukrainian, U.S. and British military officers held eight major tabletop war games to build a campaign plan. But Washington miscalculated the extent to which Ukraine’s forces could be transformed into a Western-style fighting force in a short period — especially without giving Kyiv air power integral to modern militaries.

● U.S. and Ukrainian officials sharply disagreed at times over strategy, tactics and timing. The Pentagon wanted the assault to begin in mid-April to prevent Russia from continuing to strengthen its lines. The Ukrainians hesitated, insisting they weren’t ready without additional weapons and training.

● U.S. military officials were confident that a mechanized frontal attack on Russian lines was feasible with the troops and weapons that Ukraine had. The simulations concluded that Kyiv’s forces,in the best case, could reach the Sea of Azov and cut off Russian troops in the south in 60 to 90 days.

● The United States advocated a focused assault along that southern axis, but Ukraine’s leadership believed its forces had to attack at three distinct points along the 600-mile front, southward toward both Melitopol and Berdyansk on the Sea of Azov and east toward the embattled city of Bakhmut.

● The U.S. intelligence community had a more downbeat view than the U.S. military, assessing that the offensive had only a 50-50 chance of success given the stout, multilayered defenses Russia had built up over the winter and spring.

● Many in Ukraine and the West underestimated Russia’s ability to rebound from battlefield disasters and exploit its perennial strengths: manpower, mines and a willingness to sacrifice lives on a scale that few other countries can countenance.

● As the expected launch of the offensive approached, Ukrainian military officials feared they would suffer catastrophic losses — while American officials believed the toll would ultimately be higher without a decisive assault.

Here is an even more succinct summary — Western military leaders are a bunch of arrogant dumb asses, who have not won a conventional military engagement like the one that confronted Ukraine in more than 70 years. They ignored the intelligence assessments from the CIA, they ignored the crucial role that air power plays in a all of NATO plans and they ignored the importance of having troops properly trained to conduct complex combined arms military manuevers.

If you delve into the Washington Post piece you may be shocked to learn that:

In the first months of 2023, military officials from Britain, Ukraine and the United States concluded a series of war games at a U.S. Army base in Wiesbaden, Germany, where Ukrainian officers were embedded with a newly established command responsible for supporting Kyiv’s fight.
I spent more than 23 years constructing and executing “war games” like this for U.S. military special forces. The “outcomes” are always a function of the assumptions built into the game at the outset. For example, if you assume you can advance 30 kilometers a day without air power then the game allows you to make that ridiculous assumption. You will come up with a result aka a conclusion that will have no relevance to reality.

According to the Washington Post reporters, General Mark Milley made the following reprehensible, juvenile comment in the aftermath of one of these table top “games”:

“There should be no Russian who goes to sleep without wondering if they’re going to get their throat slit in the middle of the night,” Milley said, according to an official with knowledge of the event. “You gotta get back there, and create a campaign behind the lines.”
This is a clown who watched too many Rambo movies and apparently really believed that some Ukrainian soldier would creep over miles of Russian controlled terrain just to cut the throat of a sleeping Russian soldier. Yeah, that’s a frigging game changer.

Another factor, apart from hubris, that doomed the Ukrainian counter offensive was Ukraine’s delusional belief about its Fall offensive in 2022, when Russian forces conducted tactical retreats from Kharkiv and Kherson. According to this Washington Post piece, both Ukrainians and NATO leaders genuinely believed they beat the Russians. No one in a position of command would entertain the alternative explanation that Russia realized it did not have the manpower to defend those territories and chose to retire to more defensible positions. As a result of this false assumption, both NATO and Ukraine embraced the nonsense that all they had to do was attack Russian positions and the Russians would retreat.

The United States military leaders, according to the Washington Post, based many of their assumptions about the outcome of a Ukrainian attack on their prior “experience” in Iraq and Afghanistan. You have got to be shitting me!

American military officers had seen casualties come in far lower than estimated in the major battles of Iraq and Afghanistan. They considered the estimates a starting point for planning medical care and battlefield evacuation so that losses never reached the projected levels.
At no point in either Iraq or Afghanistan did the United States fight an entrenched foe who had a decided advantage with fixed wing, rotary wing, mines and artillery. Not once. Yet, here they are gathered around the table telling the Ukrainians how it is done. That is how you put on a lethal clown show — i.e., lethal to the guys you are pretending to help.

The report ruefully acknowledges that at least one Ukrainian officer realized the U.S. “war games” were bullshit:

. . . a senior Ukrainian military official agreed. War-gaming “doesn’t work,” the official said in retrospect, in part because of the new technology that was transforming the battlefield. Ukrainian soldiers were fighting a war unlike anything NATO forces had experienced: a large conventional conflict, with World World I-style trenches overlaid by omnipresent drones and other futuristic tools — and without the air superiority the U.S. military has had in every modern conflict it has fought.
The Post reporters who pulled this piece together are not the brightest light bulbs in the tanning bed. They included the following in their piece:

The Ukrainian general wanted to stretch Russia’s much larger occupying force — unfamiliar with the terrain and already facing challenges with morale and logistics — to dilute its fighting power.
Here we go again. More unsubstantiated wishful thinking. How is it that after 9 years of supporting the militias in the Donbass that Russia is “unfamiliar” with the terrain? Nonsense! Ditto for morale and logistics problems. This is another case of psychological projection — Ukraine assigns to Russia the very problems it is struggling with.

The authors of the report concede that training for combined arms attacks requires more than a year of training. Yet, instead of noting that as one of the glaring deficiencies in the proposed Ukrainian plan of attack, the reporters write:

Thousands of troops would be instructed in Germany in large unit formations and U.S.-style battlefield maneuvers, whose principles dated to World War II. For American troops, training in what was known as “combined arms” operations often lasted more than a year. The Ukraine plan proposed condensing that into a few months.
Hello?? You cannot condense that kind of training. Next, the intrepid reporters admit that the United States could not supply the artillery shells Ukraine required:

A far bigger problem was the supply of 155mm shells, which would enable Ukraine to compete with Russia’s vast artillery arsenal. The Pentagon calculated that Kyiv needed 90,000 or more a month. While U.S. production was increasing, it was barely more than a tenth of that.
For the math challenged, “barely a tenth” means 9000 shells a month. The Ukrainians were firing that many in a week.

So, to summarize, the U.S. took the lead in coming up with a battle plan that it had ZERO experience in executing. It agreed to provide limited, inadequate training to Ukraine. It could not supply artillery shells or fixed wing aircraft required to pull off such an operation, and U.S. leaders were “surprised” that Ukraine’s counter offensive failed.

During my time at the State Department’s Office of Counter Terrorism, I worked for a retired Marine Colonel who was fond of saying, “There’s no fixing stupid.” I’m glad he did not live long enough to witness the imbecility that is the hallmark of the Biden Administration; especially with respect to obese clowns like SecDef Austin and former CJCS Milley.


10 posted on 12/08/2023 5:51:27 PM PST by delta7
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To: delta7

Blah, blah, blah

All those words, and you STILL can’t explain why “mighty” Russia (lol) hasn’t won this yet

Maybe Russia is just so incompetent it will never win?


11 posted on 12/08/2023 5:55:13 PM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - keeping Europe free of Russian invaders for 74 years - you're welcome!)
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“In all, Ukraine has retaken only about 200 square miles of territory, at a cost of thousands of dead and wounded and billions in Western military aid in 2023 alone.”

In all... get a fold-out map that’s about the size of a booger..

To put it in another perspective when Apollo LEM’s were landing on the moon a pinpoint Landing was considered to be within a designated area about a 200 square miles.

Yet another Quagmire. War IS a Racket the losers are piling up. The losers are victims of war profiteers. This is ludicrous. I lost family and relatives to that quagmire in SE Asia. Good God almighty mankind has shite-for-brains.


12 posted on 12/08/2023 6:09:06 PM PST by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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To: delta7

Talk about using these poor Ukes as cannon fodder. Good Lord!


13 posted on 12/08/2023 6:12:44 PM PST by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: delta7

The Russians had the same experience on offense as the Ukrainians and have suffered even more horrendous casualties and worse leadership and a slower learning process. This is a stalemate as there are not enough Russians on earth to break through to Kiev. Their advances have been in meters not miles or kilometers. The only thing that can break this stalemate are amphibious or airborne operations and those are not possible without air superiority. F16s may provide that but it is hardly a sure thing. Eventually morale will break on one side or the other. The Ukrainians have more at stake so it probably will not be theirs that goes first. Those thinking the Russian manpower advantage guarantees them the win are woefully naive. Russia lacks the industrial capacity to sustain large armies in the field. They have blown through decades of stored munitions and at our and air and naval assets and cannot replace them. The side that can produce the most guns wins in the end.


14 posted on 12/08/2023 6:17:47 PM PST by your other brother
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To: canuck_conservative

Blah, blah, blah
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You would do well to read the articles, educate yourself. When Ukraine ends up a rump nation, carved up like a Christmas Turkey, the disappointment will be more manageable….the more Denial, the harsher the blow.


15 posted on 12/08/2023 6:34:34 PM PST by delta7
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To: delta7

Who has crossed the Dnipro in force? Who has lost their naval headquarters and naval leaders in Crimea? Who had to moved all its ships and naval headquarters farther away from Crimea? Who is having to use 70 year old equipment to get their soldiers killed? Who invaded a democratic country and was planning to kill everyone and take over the country.

Putin said that he didn’t like Ukraine being in NATO so he attacked. If Putin had been able to take over the country he would have even close to NATO.


16 posted on 12/08/2023 6:38:31 PM PST by POGO163
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All those words, and you STILL can’t explain why “mighty” Russia (lol) hasn’t won this yet

What a fool!

Russia has already won -- a long time ago. Have you looked at a map showing the territory they now occupy? That is the territory that was Ukraine and is now incorporated into Russia.

And think, they accomplished this against the full force of the US and NATO that spent eight years preparing to take the Ruzzians out.

Not too bad, Uh?

17 posted on 12/08/2023 6:39:15 PM PST by icclearly (Q)
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To: icclearly

Nazi Germany occupied a lot of territory in 1942 too

Where’s Nazi Germany today?


18 posted on 12/08/2023 6:43:19 PM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - keeping Europe free of Russian invaders for 74 years - you're welcome!)
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To: canuck_conservative

“..Maybe Russia is just so incompetent it will never win?...”

Maybe they have all they want.


19 posted on 12/08/2023 6:43:36 PM PST by elpadre
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To: your other brother

Let me bring you up to speed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_aZ2ZeM1hU

You would do well to view Dima’s sight daily, a refreshing blast of “ truth”.


20 posted on 12/08/2023 6:45:33 PM PST by delta7
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