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Wildly different accounts of causality lists being given by each side. Who is to be trusted…?

Ohh and that 50k is dead, 3-4 times that wounded they claim.

1 posted on 06/27/2022 9:11:16 AM PDT by Phoenix8
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No one is to be trusted.


2 posted on 06/27/2022 9:11:51 AM PDT by EEGator
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DPR: Ukraine has lost at least 50,000 military men

Deep State knows where they can get some more.

3 posted on 06/27/2022 9:13:37 AM PDT by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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This is basically Russian source info, so take it with a large grain of salt. Ukraine has admitted to 50-100 killed per day, so that’s 5,000-10,000 or so, so it’s probably somewhere between those.


4 posted on 06/27/2022 9:14:19 AM PDT by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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Only 50k ?? Come on Pravda, you can do better.


5 posted on 06/27/2022 9:15:18 AM PDT by libh8er
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Ukraine has lost at least 50,000 military men

50K Ukrainian patriots lost makes it easier for the EU globalists to take over what remains of Ukraine.

6 posted on 06/27/2022 9:16:05 AM PDT by FreeReign
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10K killed + 40K escaped over the borders = 50K lost.


7 posted on 06/27/2022 9:16:33 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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...and I’m sure whenever “Peace” is ultimately restored, the people of Ukraine will be solid and happy Russian citizens, forgetting all resentments caused by the war.

They will deeply hate Mother Russia forever.


8 posted on 06/27/2022 9:19:20 AM PDT by William of Barsoom (In Omnia, Paratus)
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> Who is to be trusted…?

Between Ukraine and Russia? They each have the credibility of a Nigerian prince.


10 posted on 06/27/2022 9:24:13 AM PDT by ArcadeQuarters (Remember the 2020 backstabbers. No more RINOs ever!)
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Every death avoidable. Biden and his Cheerleaders never sought peace prior to the invasion and they certainly don’t now.


11 posted on 06/27/2022 9:25:58 AM PDT by JonPreston
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Its always informative to hear from a Ministry of Information.


12 posted on 06/27/2022 9:26:15 AM PDT by Hamiltonian
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Zero men of marriagable age = the planet’s one-stop shop for mail order brides. All related women having to learn new languages = Ukrainian ==> a dead language like Haphthelite or Hittite or Assyrian...


13 posted on 06/27/2022 9:27:28 AM PDT by ganeemead (There is no definition of patriotism that includes stooging or siding with Nazis against Christians.)
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Too many men have died in this brutal, senseless war.

Anyone who celebrates the deaths of soldiers, be they Ukrainian or Russia should be ashamed.

15 posted on 06/27/2022 9:30:50 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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The key words in this assessment are “at least”. 50,000 is likely a conservative estimate. And, Ukraine has lost its best troops.


18 posted on 06/27/2022 9:33:01 AM PDT by Kazan
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Trust neither side during a war to provide the public with accurate information. How many years did the USG and DOD specifically, provide us with rosy upropaganda on our progress in Afghanistan? And then they lied under oath about the disastrous exit.


20 posted on 06/27/2022 9:36:47 AM PDT by kabar
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such a waste.


24 posted on 06/27/2022 9:46:33 AM PDT by euram
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50,000 is likely a conservative estimate.


28 posted on 06/27/2022 9:53:11 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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One must inflate the losses of their opponent, to justify their own losses.


29 posted on 06/27/2022 9:54:01 AM PDT by BradtotheBone (When I die I want the GOP to be my Pallbearers, so they can let me down one last time.)
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"A fresh New York Times report has confirmed what many already suspected - that the CIA is still very active inside Ukraine - especially with training as well coordinating weapons among its Ukrainian allies. The Times report details "a stealthy network of commandos and spies rushing to provide weapons, intelligence and training," based on US and European intelligence officials with knowledge of the operations. The report says Ukrainian forces are reliant on this Western clandestine network "more than ever" while outgunned by the Russians.

"This comes months after investigative journalist Zach Dorfman's bombshell expose in Yahoo News which detailed how a prior 8-year long CIA covert program to train Ukrainian fighters helped provoke the Russian invasion. The only question that remained after that March report was the extent to which the CIA was still active in the ongoing fight against the invading Russians.

"Much of this work happens outside Ukraine, at bases in Germany, France and Britain, for example. But even as the Biden administration has declared it will not deploy American troops to Ukraine, some C.I.A. personnel have continued to operate in the country secretly, mostly in the capital, Kyiv, directing much of the vast amounts of intelligence the United States is sharing with Ukrainian forces, according to current and former officials," the report indicates.

Oh, no. There was no provocation by the west.

31 posted on 06/27/2022 10:18:33 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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Hmmm. Pravda. Well, at least they are more trustworthy then the US Lamestream media.


34 posted on 06/27/2022 11:17:20 AM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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Pravda, CNN, ABC News, MSNBC, Al Jazeera, The Sun, etc. I take any of their reporting with a grain of salt.


35 posted on 06/27/2022 11:34:04 AM PDT by CodeJockey (Biden is a kleptocrat (he just can't pronounce it) )
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