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To: Roman_War_Criminal

The vaccinated aren’t changing their minds. Everyone has dug their heels in, and there is *NO* cross-discussion of the pros and cons of the COVID vaccines. Basically, we have each side telling the other, “Good luck. You are an idiot and on your own.” Even on FR.


2 posted on 10/12/2021 10:33:09 AM PDT by CatOwner (Don't expect anyone, even conservatives, to have your back when the SHTF in 2021.)
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To: CatOwner

Pretty much. Good luck with Dr Fubar 🤪


4 posted on 10/12/2021 10:34:56 AM PDT by NWFree (Somebody has to say it)
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To: CatOwner

You’re right of course.
The dialogue gets personal very quickly.

Fear is a liar IMO and it motivates people heavily these days.
Those who wish to push fear on others are winning.


5 posted on 10/12/2021 10:35:15 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: CatOwner

Stockholm syndrome


7 posted on 10/12/2021 10:37:48 AM PDT by foundedonpurpose (Praise Hashem, for his restoration of all things!)
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To: CatOwner

>> Basically, we have each side telling the other,

Not quite. One side is scraping for details, the other side clinging to vacant superiority.


8 posted on 10/12/2021 10:39:18 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: CatOwner

The last man or woman standing will be the winner.................


11 posted on 10/12/2021 10:41:37 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: CatOwner

I think both sides are nuts. I got the jab 2x and feel fine, get over it.


12 posted on 10/12/2021 10:41:59 AM PDT by LumberJack53213
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To: CatOwner

I think the vaccinated are scared. I mean they bought into the scamdemic without knowing the effects of this shot. Now with all the horror stories of blood clots, enlarged hearts, etc. there.is nothing they can do to undo the potential damage, and all for a virus with over a 98% chance of surviving.


15 posted on 10/12/2021 10:44:22 AM PDT by The MAGA-Deplorian (Democrats are lawless because Republicans are ball-less!)
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To: CatOwner

That is a good summation but my own position is a little different.

It’s a risk versus reward. I don’t slam people who decide to get the vaccine.

For anyone with a known autoimmune disease ..or think you might have one...that research on COVID may help you since it mimicks some of the problems.

I have cinchona bark to use for Covid because it was used back in the Inca days for malaria

Low and behold..some of the wierdness with me last year that had me wondering if I had Covid is because I probably have something Covid Mimicks.

So as I wait to get the tests that get into more detail as to what....I took some Cinchona bark to try to help to see what it would do since HQC is used for lupus etc. It did help.

People have just got to do the best they can and roll with their decision and watch for the aftermath


16 posted on 10/12/2021 10:45:46 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: CatOwner; bagster; Jane Long
CatOwner wrote:

The vaccinated aren’t changing their minds. Everyone has dug their heels in, and there is *NO* cross-discussion of the pros and cons of the COVID vaccines. Basically, we have each side telling the other, “Good luck. You are an idiot and o

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That's not true. Look for the 'cone of silence' from the fake FR 'doctors' and other shills. There are some subjects they won't address and the other side will.

Ingredients:

Shills don't want to discuss ingredients and basically call others flat-earthers if others wonder what's in the 'vax.

Researchers and doctors get out a microscope and take photographs, with scale markings and ask questions. They want to know what the moving organisms in the vax are. They ask why the solution under the white light of the microscope turns vivid colors customary of nanotech. They ask what objects and string-like materials in the vax have vividly reflective surfaces. They ask what the payload is of microbubbles (technique for delivering materials) in the 'vaccine'.

Censorship:

Shills and fake doctors support censorship but don't want to admit it, so what they do is attack anyone 'escaping the gatekeepers' as a laughable shill. They ridicule research if it's not Fauci/NIH approved (uncensored). They pretend no one is abused for telling the truth even though it's impossible to overlook.

Researchers decry the abuses to which they and their peers are subjected, and then they work to reach the public through any means possible. The shills demand they be ignored for falling outside the Faucists line.

The FAKE PCR:

The shills and fake doctors avoid discussing that. They want us to beleive that as long as people are dying of something, anything, even if it's just because they are denied standard medical care, then lockdowns, masks, and toxic vaccines are an urgent requirement. Point out to them that even the CDC admits the test can't distinguish between Covid and other illnesses and you get silence and they move on to other topics.

Researchers and doctors have documented false positive rates. Peter Doshi looked at Pfizer's 'vaccine' trials and asks why Pfizer ignored 3000 sick people, deeming them 'suspected Covid' and only counted a total of 200 sick people in its post-vax 'efficacy' calculations and is asking WHY? Pfizer claims 3000 people (vaxxed and unvaxxed) had symptoms of illness and a negative PCR test so it just declared them 'suspected' Covid and ignored them. If Pfizer were to admit the Covid test gave that many false positives, basing ALL THE 'COVID VACCINE' efficacy numbers on it would prove no one has any valid data on efficacy. The trials were a waste of time - no useful data can be obtained with a fake test.

NO VALID DELTA test:

Shills don't know and don't want to know how anyone is reporting Delta data when hospitals reporting the data admit there is no test for Delta.

Researchers and members of the public have asked for, and received letters from medical institutions admitting there is no test for delta.

 

This goes on and on. Shills ignore the mountains of data coming out about harm and act like only crazy people think that vaccine harm exist. Big planet-sized blind spots they ignore. There is no similarity between vax pushers and those aware that we are under biowarfare attack.

24 posted on 10/12/2021 10:59:08 AM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: CatOwner

i hope and pray there are no long term side effects. the fact remains no one knows.


26 posted on 10/12/2021 11:00:53 AM PDT by joshua c (Dump the LEFT. Cable tv, Big tech, national name brands)
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To: CatOwner

Agreed. The topic is so polarized that it is extremely difficult have a productive, objective or ,often, even civil, discussion on the topic. I have tried to get people to review research papers and epidemiological data that does not support their media talking point world view and it’s rejected. The cult of politicized pseudo science has taken over and we are being driven by virulent strain of 21st century Lysenkoism


29 posted on 10/12/2021 11:02:47 AM PDT by rdcbn1
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To: CatOwner

The vaccinated aren’t changing their minds.

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I think there was something in the vaccines that take away reasoning skills. That’s basically been the problem with the left going on many years now. And now they found an ingenious way to spread it to the right.

And I give you this sad anecdote to prove my point. I would like you to list all the reasons you think pilots are boycotting work. Well yesterday Howie Carr on Boston had Trump on as a guest. When asked why the pilots were not showing up for work what do you think Trump’s answer was? His answer was because he thinks they are mad that Trump lost the election due to fraud. Was that one of the reasons you had in your mind why the pilots aren’t working? Oh yeah, then he said he knows no reason why we shouldn’t take them and everyone should take the vaccines. I write this mostly cause I hope somebody gets word to Trump that he better let his pride go and own up to the fact that his vaccines are a disaster and he better think of what his plan is to win back the people who lost lives or their jobs because of them. But denial helps nothing.


32 posted on 10/12/2021 11:05:48 AM PDT by bramps (It's the Islam, stupid!)
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To: CatOwner
Basically, we have each side telling the other, “Good luck. You are an idiot and on your own.”

That's a complete misrepresentation of reality. Most normal people are saying, "Make your own decision." There are, however, many in power saying, "We'll make the decision for you, regardless of the facts. Take the damn shot or else we'll make your life miserable." There are a few with no power saying, "The jab will kill you and if you're stupid enough to take it, then good luck."
37 posted on 10/12/2021 11:10:22 AM PDT by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: CatOwner

It is a little late, anyway, for the vaccinated to change their mind. I would hope they would at least recommend against it to family and friends, if they are still alive.


41 posted on 10/12/2021 11:12:12 AM PDT by freespirit2012
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To: CatOwner
The vaccinated aren’t changing their minds.

Pretty hard to change your mind AFTER the poison courses through your veins.

Their feeble protestations and faux confidence in the fake poison vax is them compensating for the deeply buried knowledge that they f'd up.

Once a mutant, always a mutant. Simple as that.


85 posted on 10/12/2021 11:52:41 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: CatOwner
Basically, we have each side telling the other, “Good luck. You are an idiot and on your own.” Even on FR.

No, there are those on one side asking...
-why are existing alternate treatments being suppressed?
-why is Mr. Fauxi not being charged for illegally funding banned gain-of-function experiments?
-where is the accurate data on the shots?
-why did these governments, in concerted efforts with each other and media conglomerates lie about where this came from when they said it could not have come from a lab?
-why is my government forcing me to take it but ignoring the hundreds of thousands of unvetted illegal aliens streaming across the border and not taking shots?
-why did governors, such as New York Governor Cuomo, lie about deaths by their hand in nursing homes? Why have they not been charged?
-why is Moderna, a company that has not had ONE medical treatment get FDA approved even allowed to put their test products in unwilling subjects?
...and the list goes on

On the other side you have groups who are censoring information, refusing to turn over data, and outright lying about the source of the virus, the funding for the virus, and covering up adverse reactions to the Jim Jones Jab.

92 posted on 10/12/2021 12:08:36 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: CatOwner

“The vaccinated aren’t changing their minds. Everyone has dug their heels in, and there is *NO* cross-discussion...”

This is why artillery was created.


109 posted on 10/12/2021 1:21:23 PM PDT by Justa (If where you came from is so great then why aren't Floridians moving there?)
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To: CatOwner

One side supports coercion, the other persuasion. That situation does not promote dialogue.

By all estimates, we have reached herd immunity if we add the vaccinated to those with natural immunity. There’s no reason to vaccinate the naturally immune, that population has nothing to gain individually and no evidence that they will be less transmissible with a vaccine.


155 posted on 10/12/2021 2:50:53 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Civil disobedience by jury nullification. )
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