Posted on 01/22/2021 5:20:05 PM PST by rmlew
It has nothing really to do with radicals.
In a situation like this, radicals are just the uncontrollable leading edge of where large masses of people are going. Consider them as just so many John Browns, or Gavrilo Princips - or, rather, that rogue band of Serbian military intelligence officers that recruited him. They will do what they will do, without reference to the opinions of the mass, and they cannot be reined in.
The social situation is what will bring war. There are irreconcilable interests here, and a long history of mutual hatred, people to people. The only way to defuse this is, well, there is no realistic way to do it. The elite side of this social war will have to deny their own nature, to stop spewing acid and poison on the masses. They can’t.
The fly in the ointment is they still assume white boys will volunteer to fight their foreign wars for them. That may change as who wants to die for this PC mess of BS republic? They will have to have a draft and conscription is unpopular. This will be their downfall
Calm down? What exactly are you referring to? Specifically. I've yet to see any true uprising/revolt from the people on the so-called 'right'.
You should probably catch up on your history and I would also suggest that you read the Declaration of Independence and keep in mind, the Founding Fathers of this nation would have been shooting by now.
Extremism in defense of Liberty is no vice...
Calm down....my ass.
We need politicians and the media to stop constantly and brazenly lying.
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You are a dreamer......
It’s what they do.
So far Americans seem willing to suffer the current evils inflicted on us by the oligarchy rather than resort to the only means left by them to restore the rule of law.
This is the outcome the oligarchy gambled on in their year long campaign to overthrow the people’s vote in 2020.
It’s not time yet for that apparently. As the DofI says about suffering evils rather than resorting to the required violence to effect a restoration of the rule of law.
After the spectacle in DC this week not one of them should escape a courts marshal, and brig time. A$$hole ring knockers.
While there are few moderates left in politics, people outside Washington and outside politics aren't as polarized as the politically-obsessed might think they are. Democrats hope what's happening now will drive the undecideds into their camp, but they'll go too far and there will be a reaction.
We need a civil war. There is no living with this fascist corporatist Government.
No, no civil war. We do not want to play that game and here is why. In a civil war you would infer it would be the left vs. the right. Antifa is the “Left” in this case. They are not our enemy. Antifa, BLM, etc are like a force of nature. We should not be fighting them,we should be directing them. A few well placed people inside their midst and pointing their anger at our true enemy is what needs to happen. Our lords in DC want us fighting each other. This keeps the uni-party in power. Prols on the left fighting and killing the prols on the right. while the politicians sit up on the hill and watch us kill each other.
This MUST be a revolutionary type war. We must fight the swam. That is our real enemy.
Exactly. I’m no longer sure preventing a civil war is a good thing. Nominally you’d think of course, preventing war is to be preferred almost exclusively over the alternative. However, if the “peace” is repugnant and/or eventual war is inevitable, then why not get it done and over with?
Bravo!
And moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue...
“ We need to remember that neighbors who look, act, or think differently are still our neighbors and friends, who deserve tolerance, respect, and grace.”
Unless they want to take your kids from you, “deprogram” you, re-educate you, get you fired from your job, ostracized, de-platformed, or just plain kill you.
Those people don’t deserve tolerance and they sure as f*** don’t deserve nor will they get any respect from me.
And as for grace, I’ll give them exactly the amount of it they’ve offered me. Hell, I’ll double it.
Two times zero is zero.
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Blog pimps are not welcome, so let me post the entire thing since you claim to have wrote it.
Preventing a Second Civil War
Over the last two weeks, since Congress met to count the votes from the Electoral College, America has raced down the path of civil war. We all hoped that politicians, Facebook, other social media, online media, and the Old Media would try to calm things down. Instead, they have all taken self-serving actions that have worsened the current situation. We have reached a stage where the political climate in American looks like something out of a piece of dystopian fiction or the start of a civil war. As I write this, there are 26,000 National Guards soldiers occupying and defending Washington DC, a figure not seen since April 1865. Moreover, each of these National Guard members from the 50 states are being vetted based on their politics. Whether you view this as prudent based on the events of last Wednesday, or as the beginning of a new politicized military, or both, you should be shocked by this.
On Monday, Congressman Steven Cohen of Tennessee gave an interview that sounded like an antisemitic caricature from “The Turner Diaries,” the White Nationalist book that inspired the Oklahoma City bombing. CongressmanCohen demanded a political test for members of the National Guard protecting him on racial lines: “The Guard {sic} is 90 some-odd percent male, and only about 20 percent of white males voted for Biden,” he said. “You’ve got to figure that in the Guard, which is predominantly more conservative … they’re probably not more than 25 percent of the people there protecting us that voted for Biden. The other 75 percent are in the large class of folks that might want to do something.” We have members of the media, who had no problems with political violence over the summer, calling for a domestic intelligence agency.
On the other side, we have people pointing to a single left-wing activist, who whipped up and joined the mob that invaded the Capitol, to claim that the whole thing was a leftist plot, and compare it to the Reichstag Fire, which allowed the Nazis to end democracy in Germany. Some of these people are calling for a march during the inauguration to defend their rights, not understanding why there would be a disaster, if even only 1% of those attending act out. There are people on social media calling for the president to use martial law, oblivious to political and constitutional realities. We are closer to civil war than we have been since 1968, if not 1860. We are losing our collective minds, and those with the responsibility to rein things in are only making things worse. Meanwhile, people of conscience are too afraid to speak truth to the power of collective lunacy. America today is almost unrecognizable.
One of the great limitations of human nature is that when we are acting stupid, hysterical, and wrathful, being told we are doing so rarely makes people re-evaluate their individual or group actions. Sadly, across the political spectrum, people are acting stupid, hysterical, and wrathful in ways that have led to political violence and will lead to more political violence. For the first time in generations, we face the prospect of tyranny and civil war. Trust in government, the media, corporations, and each other has broken down. Five years of partisan lunacy created a climate of fear and distrust. CoViD-19 exacerbated these showing failures in every institution paired with capricious government actions, and lockdowns that have negatively affected the individual and group psyche of the country. The only way to fix this is honesty, transparency, following accepted norms, accepting our mistakes without screaming about those of others, and grace. In other words, the opposite of what we have done in the last five years.
Voter fraud vote counting issues, and worsening problems with absentee ballots and lack of identity verification have been, are, and will be issues that need to be addressed. Anger at social media companies trying to control an election by controlling the spread of information is entirely justified. From the 1890s until this last decade, the Left wanted to prevent this type of corporate takeover of democracy. Wishing to address these is not voter suppression or antidemocratic. It is ensuring that representative democracy can occur and that the results will be respected. On the other hand, having a protest to influence members of congress, while they validate an election is monumentally dangerous and foolish. At best, it was bad optics. It had no chance of success, because everyone in Congress understood that had it been successful, we would see such rallies normalized after every election. Therefore, I opposed such a rally when I thought it would be held at the Washington Monument. I regret that I only made my concerns in private, instead of warning people. Then again, the people who needed to be warned were the ones least likely to listen. A rally at the US Capitol would have been far worse, even if it had been entirely civil. But there was no way for it to have been civil. The people planning irresponsible rallies lack the understanding of how to minimize risks in them. Holding a rally next to government buildings has a built-in risk of egged-on lunatics and agents provocateurs storming these buildings and having otherwise sane people follow them because of mob psychology. What happened on January 6th was entirely foreseeable and showed a failure of those leading the event, the Capital Police, DC Police, and National Guard.
Unfortunately, overreaction to this horrifying incident will only make things worse. Over 70% of American believe or believed that there was widespread voter fraud and/or issues with the voter count and mail-in ballots. From the moment Donald Trump was elected, Democrats claimed there was election fraud or foreign interference, which led to an impeachment, and many on the left claimed this was happening in 2020 right until networks began calling the election for former Vice President Biden. Many Americans believe that the election was stolen or rigged thanks to information suppression by the media and social media. Polling has shown that a significant percentage of Biden voters would have voted differently had they known about the Biden family scandals and especially those with China. Efforts by social media and the MSM to suppress discussion of this has only created more disenchantment and radicalized a minority. Any effort to properly respond to what happened on January 6th must address this. Unfortunately, the most common responses (media suppression, removing the president, impeaching the president, and going after his supporters) have and will only worsen the situation and risk serious bloodshed. Media suppression has the paradoxical effect of promoting the wildest of conspiracy theory promoters by giving them the mantle of victimhood, making the delusional look sane, and creating a reason for mainstream social media users to move to platforms dominated by these individuals. Removing the president through the 25th Amendment or impeachment would have made him look like a victim of a deep state/mainstream media/oligarch coup and “prove” the allegations that lead to the protests in the minds of even more Americans. This would have led some Americans to believe that only armed action can protect the president from this “coup.” The same thing will happen if prosecutors, who refused to indict BLM organizers for violence target the president.
The worst-case scenario is one which motivates a significant percentage of the roughly 75 million Trump voters to act to defend themselves. For the past four years, there have been calls for punishing Trump supporters. We have seen private companies do this and even schools and municipal governments breaching First Amendment protections by going after Trump supporters, anyone right-of-center, or even liberals who are not woke enough. In response to the protest and violence of January 6th, there has been increasing calls, including from the media, to go after Trump supporters. If this is paired with actions by small majorities in Congress moving to disarm the public and radically change the country, government officials will face far more than a few hundred-armed individuals.
Banning discussion of voter fraud on Social media will not fix this. Banning Trump will not fix this. Banning social media platforms like Parler, which refuse to censor enough political speech, will not stop this. Facebook taking down the page for the Walk Away Campaign of Democrats, who left the party to support Trump, will not fix this. CNN and other media organizations trying to get Fox News dropped by cable companies will not fix this. Cancelling books written by members of congress, will not fix this. Calling a decision by a publishing company to do so Orwellian will not fix this. Calling for unity by demanding that one party surrender will not fix our situation. Marching on Washington DC or state capitals will not fix this. Calls by people on social media for millions of Americans to be declared seditious and disarmed will not fix this. And in response, others are pointing out how easy it would be in a civil war to destroy the infrastructure, which allows urban centers to exist. Each of these steps has only made the situation more volatile. Each has added volatility to a situation that we dare not allow to get worse.
Collectively and individually, we need to make an effort to stop acting impulsively and to calm down. We need to humanize our opponents and try to understand them and their fears. Virtually everyone, who questions some of the results from the last election is not a White Supremacist seeking sedition . Similarly, most people who pushed for police reforms this year did not seek to end policing, the nuclear family, and capitalism. We need to see those with whom we disagree not as political, or G-d help us, military enemies, but as other Americans, who need our love and understanding and compassion. We need to realize that 99% of these political opponents are not dangerous revolutionaries. They are people, who have been caught up in the rhetoric of regime politics, where only one side is deemed just, correct and allowed to win. This needs to end. We need to stop calling our Founding Fathers racist and worthy of destruction. We need to stop responding to this by downplaying past and current racism. We need to stop sharing stories without checking their veracity. We need to stop writing things online that we would not say in person. We need to remember that those seeking to silence any opposition almost always have positions that can survive no fair opposition.
We need politicians and the media to stop constantly and brazenly lying. We need fact checkers to fact-check themselves and deal with their biases. We need to stop pretending that there are no people of ill will on our own side, while assuming that the worst of our opponents represent all of them. We need American businesses large and small to remember that every American is a potential customer. We need these companies to realize that having employees who respectfully disagree with management or with any groupthink is a blessing, which allows for greater diversity and understanding. We need greater transparency from all branches and levels of government. We need civics and history education, not indoctrination. We need a media that remembers to distrust government and corporations, to hold those in power they agree with to account for misdeeds and lies, and to hold themselves to the same standards. We need to realize that the Wokeists and left-wing conspiracy crowd, and the Alt-Right and QAnon are all toxic in and of themselves, but together form a binary poison that is a threat to the republic. This means calling out toxic lies on your own side and the opposition. The notion that Donald Trump won the popular vote, but this was stolen by a Venezuelan voter machine corporation has not been proven by any data and is thus an inflammatory lie. The same is true for the idea that police in this country are randomly shooting unarmed people of color. Both are inflammatory lies that have led to riots and bloodshed. It isn’t just up to the opposition to call these out. It is the responsibility of those, who would benefit in the short term from these lies to do so.
We need to remember that the last time we had a civil war 2.5% of the 31 million people in America died and that we have roughly eleven times more people in the US today. We need to look around and realize that 44% of Americans live in a household with at least one firearm and that there are almost 400,000,000 privately-owned firearms in America, or roughly two firearms for every adult in the US, who does not have a felony record. Millions of Americans have been trained in the use of explosives in the military, and everyone reading this could find manuals for making improvised explosives and the location of targets like water pipelines with only a few minutes of searching online. We should remember the panic buying and hoarding that occurred only a few months ago and ponder what would happen if civil war disrupted transportation, electric transmission, clean water, and the distribution of food and medicine. The rioting from the early summer was nothing compared to what will happen when banks do not have money, no one can process credit cards, and stores run out of food. Few in America today could imagine the horrors of a civil war in America today, where the fight would not be between the states, as much as between rural and urban centers, which depend on each other for necessities.
We need to remember that neighbors who look, act, or think differently are still our neighbors and friends, who deserve tolerance, respect, and grace. We need to remember what is best about America and live up to it. We need to look at the death of Capitol Hill Police Officer Brian Sicknick. We need to see him not as an agent of federal tyranny or as a pawn, whose death can be used to bludgeon political opponents. Instead, we need to remember him as a martyr to the republic, a Trump supporter who died trying to stop a lawless mob. We need to follow his words and example and say “stop” before the division, distrust, and violence sown for the past years brings forth a cataclysm and rivers of blood.
America is the oldest democratic republic, but we are not eternal. Every republic before us collapsed into civil war, foreign invasion, or became a dictatorship or empire. Democracy all too easily degenerates into demagoguery, organized political violence, and tyranny. Future generations will look back at this moment with pride or horror. We get to choose how we will be remembered.
Let’s revisit this post after the Democrats...”
Exactly. This isnt a static situation. The Democrats are going to go full on crazy in the fullness of time.
Trump supporters are rightly upset and to ask them to calm down is a senseless thing to expect. Especially when you have the opposition telling us their people aren't going to stop and shouldn't as Harris has clearly spoken! Further party members aren't required nor responsible for "reigning in the radicals".....they do what they do regardless.
First will be to eliminate the mouth piece of the left.
Call it a Attitude Adjustment.
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