Posted on 09/24/2020 8:22:47 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
This is breathlessly delivered non news.
Over 70% of seniors have high blood pressure. There is some variance men / women, but over 70% have that comorbidity, which will generally lead to others quickly.
It’s essentially normal for old folks to have these comorbidities so saying old folks with them die from the virus is saying nothing additional to . . . old folks more often die of the virus.
I’ve said this before.
If someone had prior conditions but they were likely to live a lot longer if they didn’t get covid then it’s reasonable to say they died of covid.
So saying “94% of COVID-19 Deaths Had “On Average 2-3 Other Potential Causes of Death””, doesn’t paint an accurate picture.
RE: If someone had prior conditions but they were likely to live a lot longer if they didn’t get covid then it’s reasonable to say they died of covid.
In other words, Covid-19 HASTENED their death. We should call Covid a death-accelerator.
Owen wrote: “It’s essentially normal for old folks to have these comorbidities so saying old folks with them die from the virus is saying nothing additional to . . . old folks more often die of the virus.”
Or, more succinctly ‘It’s essentially normal for old folks to die of something.’
Don’t give up...keep pushing Biden over the finish line with these bogus inflated death numbers, then all of this can go away as far as the media is concerned.
Any cause of death is hastening the inevitable. Nobody lives forever. If I get shot, the bullet merely hastened my death. I was going to die of something anyway.
But I died of a gunshot wound. We should be clear about that.
As I have posted several times my Mom “died” of COVID.
In fact:
She was nearly 90.
She smoked for 65 years, until age of 80.
She had CHF and was on oxygen.
She had “spots” on her lungs. Doc said it was probably lung cancer but treatment was not an option as she would not survive.
SO - COVID19 was kind of the “Last nail” as they say. BEFORE COVID19 we knew ANY bad respiratory event would likely cause her death.
MY PROBLEM - The Serial Killer, Governor Tom Wolf of PA, did nothing to secure nursing homes and yet implemented strict visitation prohibitions on family.
COVID19 entered the facility thru staff and NOT thru family visitation.
My Mom was on a very short time line at best. What tortures us is the ISOLATION imposed on her. My family feels guilty that she passed with NO family present. The only solace we have is knowing that a nurse who cared for my Mom and made my Mom her “pet patient” for years sat with her for hours until she passed.
Coronavirus kills 2 in Meth Lab Explosion. ~ CNN.
You can claim they’re inflated all you like, but the excess mortality figures show the real story, and we’ve been greatly exceeding the excess mortality threshold every single week since March.
None of this helps Biden one bit, particularly once President Trump announces the approval of a safe and effective vaccine. That’s why the Democrats are falling all over themselves to claim the vaccines are “rushed” or “dangerous”. They know that President Trump is about to take their months of fearmongering and overhyping COVID-19 and turn it all against them. And there’s nothing they can do to stop it but inject more fear into the conversation, this time directed at the vaccines.
So roughly, 6% of 200,000 = 12,000 direct covid deaths? Out of 32,000,000 confirmed cases. So a .0375 mortality percentage.
Assuming rough numbers, do I have that right?
RE: SO - COVID19 was kind of the “Last nail” as they say. BEFORE COVID19 we knew ANY bad respiratory event would likely cause her death.
I’m very sorry to hear of your Mom’s passing. My condolences.
But I cannot help but wonder ... HOW MANY MORE YEARS COULD SHE HAVE LIVED HAD COVID-19 NOT EXISTED....??
I think It is still accurate to say that Covid-19 ACCELERATED her demise.
It’s normal for old folks to die of something? Yes, it is. 3 million die in the US each year, in normal years, and 65+ people are 2 million of that . . . in a normal year.
Excess Deaths this year are averaging well past that. That’s deaths of all causes, some from not getting treatment for fear of the virus at the hospital — and some from having the virus that killed them quickly untested.
Regardless, US death count attributed to the virus is 200K and almost all of them 65+. Excess Deaths this year, above normal years, are actually higher than 200K (most likely from untested folks who died quickly and there was no point in testing a corpse).
Higher than 200K = 10% of senior deaths above a normal year.
So yes, they do die of something. In a normal year that something gets 2 million. This year an additional 10%, and the year is not done. The graphs look like 15% by 1 Jan.
I am so sorry that you and your mom went through that. My heart breaks for you and others in your situation. I would absolutely love to see the governors who forced nursing homes to accept infected patients prosecuted for manslaughter for everyone who died as a result.
Sadly, the US largely made the same mistakes Sweden did when it came to protecting the elderly long term care facilities. Those should have been well protected as soon as we understood the devastating impact this disease has on older folks. At least Sweden admitted their failures and moved on. I haven’t seen that from anyone here so far.
Nope. Because you’re misunderstanding what that “6%” actually is. If you used that same standard with cancer patients, we would have almost no cancer deaths in the US. Because nobody dies directly from cancer. Cancer leads to multiple organ failure and they die of heart failure or lung failure or something similar. Or they get pneumonia and die from that.
The CDC has two designations for causes of death: the immediate cause of death (e.g. person’s heart stops beating) and the underlying cause of death (e.g. cancer). The underlying cause of death is the disease or injury which initiated the chain of events leading directly to death. In the case of COVID-19, what more commonly happens is the person gets COVID-19, it basically sandblasts the protective lining of the lungs, an opportunistic infection (such as pneumonia) moves in once the protecting lining is gone, and the combination of multiple infections on an already weakened body results in death.
What the CDC said was that on 6% of death certificates, the person filling out the certificate didn’t bother listing anything except COVID-19. That number should probably be 0%. But COVID-19 was still the underlying cause of death for those cases. Those 200,000+ people would still be alive today (almost to a person) were it not for COVID-19. We know this based on the excess mortality numbers. The US has exceeded the threshold for excess mortality every single week since March.
America’s obese chickens are coming home to roost.
Let’s wait until we can compare mortality of 2018-2019 to 2020-2021. I think most of the deaths have been pulled forward by just a few months.
Newsflash!
People in good health live longer and better lives.
Do everything possible to be in your best health.
Actually the real statistical answer is ...
how much have those comorbidities been reduced due to attributing death to covid?
Are they counting BOTH as cause of death?
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