TN holds that form for 1 year.
I will be filling out a 4473 next week when my gift to myself (LOL) arrives. It should arrive next week, hopefully.
Not in Oregon. Sale must go through an FFL. Poorly researched.
While i have purchased several new firearms, my favorites are purchased from private individuals, hence, no background checks, no paper trails. i do not trust any gubmint rules regulations, promises or indivduals representative thereof.
What you say is mostly true, but it still doesn’t make sense.........a 4473 is for a background check of the buyer, not the gun. So tell me again the logic of needing gun info on a background check.
The 4473 is not for background checks, the form predated the background check system. Information on the form is used for the background check, but that's not the purpose of the form. The form establishes a chain of custody for a particular firearm by it's serial number. The serial number is recorded by the manufacturer when it's sold to the wholesaler, the wholesaler when it's sold to the dealer, and the dealer when it's sold to an individual.
As stated above, the 4473 has to be kept for a minimum of twenty years by the FFL holder or when he goes out of business, then it has to be sent to the ATF for filing.
Here's the reason it's a system of registration: ANY time the BATFE approaches the FFL holder and requests access to his form 4473's he is required to give them access. That essentially means that all the information on who bought a particular firearm is available to the government. If a firearm is found at a crime scene the ATF goes to the manufacturer with the serial number, they name the wholesaler it was sold to who then names the dealer it was sold to and an agent shows up at his doorstep demanding to see the form 4473 to see who bought it. The dealer legally can't refuse to turn over the form.
That's a registration scheme. Sure, it's more cumbersome than having all that information in a computer database at the fingertips of the ATF, but other than an agent physically having to go to the gun dealer and demand the form 4473 it's no different, the information is still available on demand to the government. Now where that breaks down is as of right now sales between individuals aren't required to be reported to the government so the "registration" ends with the individual that first bought it from the FFL dealer. That's why the leftists are so hell bent on ending the "gun show loophole" which isn't about gun shows and isn't a loophole, what they really want to do is end sales between private individuals without going through a dealer so it can be catalogued thus effectively being registered.
They’re not supposed to be recording your phone calls either but they are.
The 4473 is registration...at least a first step. The ATF is completely free to copy 4473s at any time. You can be certain a registry of sorts is compiled using them + those turned in when FFLs cease business. You can also be certain NICS records are used to compile a registry even though it’s illegal.
This is the ATF a part of the federal government run mostly by democrats. If you think they are not going to use these forms to eventually confiscate our firearms then you are just plan crazy for believing that big lie.
“First and foremost the ATF 4473 is completely private. It’s treated the same as a tax return and cannot be shared with anyone not even a federal agency or state government.”
Theoretically, at least.
Assuming ALL the gatherers & keepers of this info are honest, not commie activist saboteurs.
At least, not yet. Let's see what happens in VA.
Missouri is Constitutional Carry. Now I am back in the peoples Republic of NC.
Since the ascension of the administration of POTUS #44 BHO in NOV 2008, we have been living in a post-Constitutional crisis with no sign of abatement, especially continuing to permit 3rd world refugees and illegal aliens who overwhelm social services, H1-B work visa holders replacing American workers and driving wages down, don’t assimilate, and increase the non-white slice of the U.S. population pie at the expense of the white slice. Simultaneously we are witnessing a popular culture abandoning Christianity, whites postponing marriage and children due to economic hardships, and teacher unions embracing secularism and socialism which they pass on to students who have no understanding. And not the least, a DemonRat party totally embracing socialism and trying to impeach a sitting POTUS based upon traitorous actions within the DemonRat party.
Once the DemonRats regain control of both Houses of Congress and the presidency (Think 2009-2010 when POTUS #44 BHO (D-IL) had control of both Houses and passed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act/ “ObamaCare”), they will revive the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban (FAWB-’94) which was a subsection of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. It expired after 10 years in 2004 due to a sunset provision. The FAWB-’94 grandfathered those semi-automatic firearms already legally owned by private citizens which now met the new definition of an assault weapon. Later statistical studies of firearm crimes during 1994-2004 showed the ban had no effect on overall violent crime and effected a minimal decrease on mass shootings.
This new AWB will include revisions to the FAWB-‘94 which will include warping the definition of an “assault weapon” to whatever they choose, e.g., all semi-automatic rifles, semi-auto shotguns, and pump-action shotguns, and making it permanently illegal to own) an assault weapon. All semi-auto firearms already in private possession will likely be required to be registered or not be protected with a grandfather clause, thus leaving them vulnerable to confiscation. The original FAWB-‘94 was upheld by the courts despite many petitions of repeal on grounds of violation of the 2nd Amendment. The DemonRats will justify this new AWB as a necessary means to end the bloodshed of mass shootings, especially in public schools, that have plagued the nation since Columnbine High School in 1999. The new ban would also prohibit the importation into and manufacture of all semi-automatic shoulder arms within the U.S. They might even go so far as to repeal the NFA-‘34 and seize all of the registered Type II/ Class 3 firearms.
But what about the SCOTUS and a new AWB???
“First and foremost the ATF 4473 is completely private. It’s treated the same as a tax return and cannot be shared with anyone not even a federal agency or state government. No one other than the NCIS is allowed to know that you attempted to purchase a firearm. If anyone releases a 4473 to the public, they go to jail. Second, you are not bound to the firearm listed on the 4473. In other words the government cannot come to your door in 10 years and demand that you produce the firearm listed on the 4473.”
Yes, and there’s this supernatural being who gives out money in exchange for teeth! And another one who leaves baskets of candy and hides colored eggs around the place! And...
I’ve bought and sold weapons in private deals - never keep records because it’s none of their business.
title 26 USC 5845 firearm (a) Firearm The term “firearm” means
(1) a shotgun having a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length;
(2) a weapon made from a shotgun if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length;
(3) a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length;
(4) a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length;
(5) any other weapon, as defined in subsection (e);
(6) a machinegun;
(7) any silencer (as defined in section 921 of title 18, United States Code); and
(8) a destructive device. The term “firearm” shall not include an antique firearm or any device (other than a machinegun or destructive device) which, although designed as a weapon, the Secretary finds by reason of the
date of its manufacture, value, design, and other characteristics is primarily a collector’s item and is not likely to be used as a weapon.
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(e) Any other weapon The term “any other weapon” means any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive, a pistol or revolver having a barrel with a smooth bore designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell, weapons with combination shotgun and rifle barrels 12 inches or more, less than 18 inches in length, from which only a single discharge can be made from either barrel without manual reloading, and shall include any such weapon which may be readily restored to fire. Such term shall not include a pistol or a revolver having a rifled bore, or rifled bores, or weapons designed, made, or intended to be fired from the shoulder and not capable of firing fixed ammunition.
gun registration is the hit list for gun confiscation...