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A tale of two Presidents: obama grew ISIS, Trump is wiping it out
Flopping Aces ^ | 10-28-19 | DrJohn

Posted on 10/28/2019 4:23:41 PM PDT by Starman417

In the wake of the demise of ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi it seems a good time to remember how ISIS can to be what it was. The origin of ISIS is said to have gone this way

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi came to helm of al-Qaeda in Iraq in 2010 after serving as long as four years in the U.S. prison facility Camp Bucca along with other future top ISIS officials. But after taking power in 2011, al-Baghdadi cut off ties with al-Qaeda and changed the name of the group to the Islamic State in Iraq. He targeted Shiites and planned to unite the Arab world under a single Sunni regime. In 2013, he changed the group’s name to the Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS) to reflect the expanded ambition.
Today on CBS This Morning, "expert" Fran Townsend stated that while Bin Laden dreamed of establishing a caliphate, al Baghdad did it. And Baghdadi did it under barack obama's nose.

The actual release date of Baghdadi is in dispute but it is agreed upon that he spent time in Camp Bucca. Bucca was closed and emptied of prisoners after obama declared the war in Iraq over and began withdrawing US troops in 2011. It was the departure from Iraq and the overthrow of Libya that gave ISIS it room to grow and metastasize. n

When George Bush left office John Brennan estimated that there were approximately 700 ISIS fighters left:

The Islamic State "was, you know, pretty much decimated when US forces were there in Iraq. It had maybe 700-or-so adherents left. And then it grew quite a bit in the last several years, when it split then from al Qaeda in Syria, and set up its own organization," Brennan said.
Under obama it grew significantly
American Enterprise Institute scholar Marc Thiessen noted in a recent dispatch on Brennan’s remarks that this translates to around a 4,400 percent growth.

"This means that, by the CIA’s own estimate, ISIS has grown on President Obama’s watch from just 700 fighters to between 20,000 and 31,500 fighters," Thiessen wrote on the organization’s website, citing figures from the CIA. "That is an increase of between 2,700 and 4,400%."

The rise of ISIS "surprised" obama
ISIS' march across Iraq and Syria -- a campaign that's forced President Barack Obama to return small numbers of US troops to the region, even after touting an end to the decade-long ground offensives there -- came as a surprise to US intelligence, the President told CNN in a new special report.

The terror organization's rise in a tumultuous Middle East has provided Obama some of the toughest decisions of his presidency, choices that CNN's Fareed Zakaria explores in "The Legacy of Barack Obama" airing Wednesday.

"The ability of ISIL to not just mass inside of Syria, but then to initiate major land offensives that took Mosul, for example, that was not on my intelligence radar screen," Obama told Zakaria, using the administration's term for the Islamic State terror group.

In 2014 obama referred to ISIS as the "JV team":
At that time, ISIS was confined to the immediate area of Iraq and Syria. President Obama famously referred to ISIS nine months later in January of 2014 as the “JV team.”  Just over a year later, however, according to ABC News, on “the second anniversary of the declaration of its Islamic ‘caliphate,’ or kingdom . . . the group has gone from obscurity . . .  to the world’s most brutal terrorist network, not only responsible for thousands of deaths in the Middle East but also linked to hundreds more in dozens of terrorist plots in the West.”
Late in his tenure obama still had no plan to deal with ISIS

It's too soon to say what steps the United States will take against ISIS in Syria, President Barack Obama said Thursday.

"I don't want to put the cart before the horse," Obama told reporters during a White House news briefing. "We don't have a strategy yet."

Obama said he's asked America's top defense officials to prepare "a range of options" about what the United States could do to go after ISIS in Syria, which he described as "a safe haven" for the Sunni extremist group that calls itself the Islamic State.

As late as 2015 Charles Krauthammer put it this way:
John McCain had the best line. He said when Obama says he doesn't have a complete strategy perhaps he will tell us what his incomplete strategy or partial strategy, any idea of a strategy is. And the answer is there's nothing here.
That was left to Donald Trump. Nine months after he took office US forces took Raqqa
Nine months after President Trump promised to defeat ISIS "quickly and effectively," U.S.-backed forces captured Raqqa, which until Tuesday had served as the ISIS capital. The battle now is over who deserves credit: Trump or President Obama.

Trump, not surprisingly, claims it for himself: "It had to do with the people I put in and it had to do with rules of engagement," Trump said in a radio interview.

Before dismissing this as typical Trump self-aggrandizement, consider that for several years Obama insisted that a quick and decisive victory against ISIS was all but impossible.

After belittling ISIS as a "JV" team and then being surprised by its advances, Obama finally got around to announcing a strategy to "degrade and ultimately destroy" the militant Islamic group.

As his strategy dragged on and seemed to go nowhere, Obama kept telling the country that this was just the nature of the beast.

By December of 2017:
On Jan. 20 — the day Trump was inaugurated — an estimated 35,000 ISIS fighters held approximately 17,500 square miles of territory in both Iraq and Syria.

As of Dec. 21, the U.S. military estimates the remaining 1,000 or so fighters occupy roughly 1,900 squares miles of mostly barren desert primarily in Syria, where few people live, and where they will be forced to surrender or die.

Between September 2014 when the counter-ISIS campaign began, and January 2017, U.S.-backed forces in Iraq and Syria liberated 13,200 square miles of territory and 2.4 million people from Islamic State rule.

In the 11 months since Trump took office, an additional 15,570 square miles have been reclaimed and 5.3 million people have been liberated.

He is winning because he changed the rules of engagement:

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TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: abubakralbaghdadi; albaghdadi; isis; obama; susanrice; trump

1 posted on 10/28/2019 4:23:41 PM PDT by Starman417
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To: Starman417

The Kenyan from Indonesia WAS ISIS.

ISIS is just followers of Mohammed following his example closer than anyone in modern times.

They are what real devout muslims look like.


2 posted on 10/28/2019 4:28:38 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Starman417

Susan Rice complaining that Trump didnt follow protocol as it pertains to informing Past President


3 posted on 10/28/2019 4:29:17 PM PDT by RummyChick ("Pills, money .. this city is wicked. Your best friend will kill you here." Smoove about Baltimore)
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To: RummyChick

Susan Rice can pound sand at the nearest beach. She is part of the clueless Obama team that actually encouraged ISIS to grow. Trump has no obligation to tell Rice, Obama or any of the other fools from his Administration anything.


4 posted on 10/28/2019 4:35:22 PM PDT by Metrobank
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To: Starman417
A tale of two Presidents: obama grew ISIS, Trump is wiping it out...

That's about the size of it.

5 posted on 10/28/2019 4:37:20 PM PDT by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel.)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

PART OF THE 9 TRILLION DOLLARS OBAMA ADDED TO THE NATIONAL DEBT PROBABLY ENDED UP IN THE COFFERS OF ISIS FOR RECRUITMENT, TRAINING AND ARMING THEM. WHERE ELSE DID ISIS GET THEIR MONEY TO GROW FROM 700 TO 31,000 MEMBERS?


6 posted on 10/28/2019 4:40:21 PM PDT by chopperk (ms)
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To: Metrobank

The Democrats selling guns helped pay for Obama’s new homes.


7 posted on 10/28/2019 4:42:14 PM PDT by cnsmom
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To: Starman417

Obama is guilty of war crimes. He should be in a cell and never see the light of day again.


8 posted on 10/28/2019 4:47:04 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Starman417

Obama did everything he could to expand islam on this planet.

JoMa


9 posted on 10/28/2019 4:47:04 PM PDT by joma89
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To: chopperk

And where did all those white Toyota pickups come from?


10 posted on 10/28/2019 4:48:19 PM PDT by mumblypeg
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To: Metrobank

Hell, I’m surprised Al Jazeera isn’t complaining that Trump didn’t notify them ahead of the operation....


11 posted on 10/28/2019 4:49:30 PM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC.....Patriotically Correct)
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To: Starman417
Obama's legacy


12 posted on 10/28/2019 5:02:36 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople
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To: Starman417

Have you seen those news videos and pics of the US Military’s heavy hardware that are flying the ISIS Black Flag? That hardware wasn’t captured, it was left behind when the Obozo ordered the evacuation of the US Troops out of Iraq. Some commander and chief, huh!


13 posted on 10/28/2019 6:35:01 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Thanks Starman417.

14 posted on 10/28/2019 6:47:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Metrobank
Why would Trump tell people that have been actively trying to sabotage him since the day he got elected. Who the H do they think they are. It's comical.
15 posted on 10/28/2019 7:13:06 PM PDT by dandiegirl (BOBBY)
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To: Starman417

Obama was the cofounder.

ISIS would not exist without Obama.


16 posted on 10/28/2019 7:15:20 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Trump is solving the worldÂ’s problems only to distract us from Russia.)
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To: Starman417

As crazy as it may seem, all this is completely lost on low-info, Dem voters.

Dems have cultivated people to be uninformed for generations.

Liberalism is evil.


17 posted on 10/29/2019 5:08:14 AM PDT by simpson96
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