St. Louis Official Wants To Ban Guns In Parks As ‘Child Care Facilities’

Bearing Arms ^ | 10/18/2019 | Tom Knighton

[RArtfulogerDodger]

....A move is underway at City Hall to designate St. Louis parks as child care facilities so they’re exempt from a Missouri law allowing people to carry concealed firearms without permits and training. A bill to be introduced Friday by Alderman Cara Spencer, D-20th Ward, also would require signs explaining the gun prohibition to be posted at all park entrances, parking areas, playgrounds and sports fields. “It’s time to push the envelope here,” Spencer said Thursday. “The state Legislature doesn’t understand the level of gun violence here.” Oh no, they understand it quite well. They just know that idiotic stunts like this won’t actually do anything except make it impossible for law-abiding citizens who protect their families in St. Louis parks.

Look, this isn’t rocket science.

St. Louis does legitimately have a problem with violence. However, much of that violence is tied to other forms of criminal activity, namely gang-related violence. In other words, these are people who know they’re going to commit a criminal act well ahead of time.....

[Candor7]

You mean crazies can go to St. Louis Parks and shoot children without fear of return fire?

Wow. Set up cameras so we can see that carnage! ( sarc.)

[arthurus]

How to freate Child Hunting Zones.

[arthurus]

How to create Child Hunting Zones.

[antidemoncrat]

These Democrats are like hemorrhoids. A real pain in the a$$ and once you get rid of them they almost always come back again.

[I want the USA back]

Put up a sign banning guns, and watch how quickly the violent criminals run the other way so as not to violate the law.

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This is like all leftist proposals - a way of taking guns from non-violent citizens and leaving them in the hands of violent criminals.

[posterchild]

If it is a ‘child care facility’ will drug use, sex offenders, and ‘camping rough’ also be banned in parks?

[Manly Warrior]

There’s more to the story of course.

The STL Zoo did this with effect ( current litigation regarding OC and CC at the public STL Zoo). The city called the zoo everything from a school to a child care facility to a restricted area etc all in an effort to prevent lawful permitted, permitless open or concealed carry.

The MO law regarding permitted CC is pretty good at preempting other political jurisdictions from further restrictions. OC/permitless/constitutional carry however does fall into a local ordnance range ( for other than permitted persons.

Basically, this attempt restricts permitless carriers from lawfully entering such a facility, where it is a crime. A permitted carrier however, concealed, is subject to a fine if discovered but it is not a crime. RSMO 571.107.

Leftists doing what they can to restrict otherwise lawful carry.

A permitted concealed carrier for instance, may enter a school etc. with their concealed weapon, even though the premises be posted, and if discovered and asked to leave- nada, if refuse to leave and a peace officer is called, they may be fined. On the other hand, if a permitless concealed carrier enters a school and is discovered, it is a felony crime.....

Another neat thing about MO CCW law, the permit/license is issued by the county sheriff, and records are maintained there, and are closed other than to a bona fide LE investigation by court order.... No one, even the local deputy, knows who is a carrier....

[hanamizu]

St. Louis does legitimately have a problem with violence...namely gang-related violence.

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St Louis has a political/geographic problem. The city is fairly small geographically and can’t expand for political reasons. As the city’s population has more than halved over the last half century, more than half of its tax base has left as well. There are still very nice, very safe neighborhoods in StL but they are very close to very dangerous areas. Gangs occupy very small territories—like just a few blocks. Because the gang territories are so small, there is lots of friction—violence on the boundaries. City parks often are boundaries. So lots of shootings in city parks.

Banning concealed carry in parks will mean only gang bangers are armed.

[jazminerose]

Bangers to benefit most.

[G Larry]

And since every home is a “child care facility”.......

[Manly Warrior]

St Louis must be willing to license and staff every park and other public space they intend to declare a child care facility. Words matter. here is the reference in state law to child care definitions. I do not think any public space that is not specifically organized to provide child care ( more than 6 children) can be legally called a child care facility.

Chapter 210 covers the spectrum of child care.

http://revisor.mo.gov/main/OneSection.aspx?section=210.201&bid=47997&hl=

More leftist BS.

[Manly Warrior]

Perusing the statue reveals that all children in attendance must be immunized ( documented) a parent/care giver agreement must be on file and updated with emergency contact info etc. IOWs, a child care facility must be a specific entity organized and staffed and documented, not jut a playground or park where parents/guardians supervise their children and is accessible by anyone who has a lawful right to be there.

Sigh.