[Flashback]U.S. Founding Fathers Set Aside Ideology for Common Good

The founding era of the United States was no less divided and conflicted than the Washington we find so frustrating today.

During the revolutionary years, people loyal to Great Britain made up as much as 20 percent of the population.

Colonies were reluctant to contribute money and supplies to the war effort. Citizens were willing to serve in the continental army only for a short time or when the fighting was near their “country,” their state.

After the war, though political parties as we know them today had not yet formed fully, partisan politics was rampant. The Federalists and the Democratic-Republicans traded barbs constantly.

The Democratic-Republicans initially believed a small, weak national government with a limited executive was essential to freedom.

The Federalists thought a large, strong national government with a strong executive was required to hold the nation together. This led to significant tension and even hostility.

An interesting article written during the dark and divided days of the Obama Administration - a time we would all like to forget I'm sure.

A reminder huge divisions in ideology are nothing new to American history.

It has reached an explosive pitch these days though with the extreme radicals takeover of the democrat party and a good President that fights back. Rock; meet hard spot.

Big huge irreconcilable differences over the right way to do things are welcome, so long as you can define “right.” We cannot.

The unbreachable chasm between the 18th century and now is that they were fresh off a potboiling “Great Awakening” of Christian fervor which shook the populace to the core and literally transformed society. We, otoh, are in the midst of a lazy, rotting self indulgent slide where no ethical or intellectual impediment may stand in the way of SELF.

The ages, and thus the outcome of the struggles, could not be more different. Best thing you can hope for IS the “destruction of the republic”... ie, the breakup of the monster in DC into disparate parts. There is no rescuing this monster. Find a place to hide, or at least lay low, and forget the “patriotism” nonsense.

What you are in love with is a memory, not a present reality.

There should not have been an Obama administration.

Tell me which of the founders would have found a British subject/Kenyan national from Indonesia to be a natural born citizen of the USA.

They chose their words carefully, they did not choose native born, they rejected Hamilton’s suggestion of “born a citizen”, they chose natural born citizen as the most restrictive term, someone who was NATURALLY a citizen because they could not possibly be anything else.

Anyone born something else is NOT a natural born citizen.

What I see is that many conservatives today still see things largely the way conservatives always have (granted, still with an overall leftist shift) but by and large, overall we still believe in individual rights, small government, rule of law and punishment for crimes, personal responsibility, property ownership, a capitalist economy, and strong defense, both personal and national.

What HAS happened in the last sixty years is that the Left has not just shifted slightly left in they way conservatives have to a degree, the change on the Left has been a seismic avalanche to the extreme left. Sure, the changes in the Wilson Administration were a watershed event, and the Roosevelt administration took it to a different level.

But I believe it was the Sixties radicals who really changed everything. They mainstreamed leftist radicalism, shed their hippie clothes, put on suits, and began to enter the government in huge numbers in the Seventies and Eighties, then had radicals take over the executive branch in the Clinton Presidency, and that is where I believe the skids were greased.

In summary, surely us conservatives have drifted leftward, but the absolute hijacking of the Left by radicals, with no public shame or consequences for hatred of the republic, the rules of law, what it stands for, what constitutes a citizen ect. and we now have people in important positions on the Left trying to bring down a government.

Look at the roster of presidential candidates on the Left. It is jaw dropping to watch each candidate trying to position themselves further and further to the left to "out-Left" their competition. And they are representative of the Left as a whole.

I believe we on the right have moved a little, but it is the tectonic plate shifting to the far extreme by the left that has left a huge, barren, unsurmountable chasm between us and them. And it isn't conservatives who put it there.

It has been the Left.

I agree. I agree painfully and wholeheartedly.

Something crucial in our system BROKE when Obama was nominated and became President.

I believe that the left saw that the Constitution could simply be treated like a piece of paper since nobody held them to it.

We all share blame for that. Many of us did speak out, but...it wasn’t enough. It is clear to me we could get another candidate just like Obama with even less wiggle room to be approved for a presidential run, and nothing will be said by anyone who counts.

I look at that and say “Really? There is no requirement to submit documentation to a body that can rule in or rule out a candidate based on a variety of factors, one crucial one being that of citizenship?”

It wasn’t that one narrow thing that broke and is causing great danger to this republic. It is that people saw they could ignore all rules with no consequences.

It wasn’t that one narrow thing that broke and is causing great danger to this republic. It is that people saw they could ignore all rules with no consequences.

DING! DING! DING! We have a winner!

And next time it will be bigger and even more bold! Why? Because that is what the Liberal Leftists do! They start small, push and push and then all of a sudden, if you disagree with our outlandish ideas, you are a BIGOT!

The next time, when they nominate an illegal, DACA immigrant as their candidate, they will claim that the Constitution violates their right to be President! And if you point out the rules and requirements, you will be labeled a BIGOT for not "changing with the times!" It is coming - I'll bet!

Yes, you nailed it. It as if every single illegal and questionable thing they do is like an enemy probing your lines. Where they don’t meet resistance, they poke more with more illegal and more questionable behavior.

This is precisely why, to me, the Spying Scandal is potentially one of the most dangerous things to our Republic. If we do not punish the people responsible for this, they will do more of it, more intensively, and more intrusively.

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