Posted on 12/23/2018 8:59:46 PM PST by bitt
Certainly, no one should defend a top-ranking federal employee’s lying to federal investigators or to his superiors in the Trump Administration, if that is what former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn did, as evidenced by his own confession.
Note if Flynn lied to President Trump or Vice President Mike Pence about details of his private conversations, then that is unethical and understandably should be grounds for dismissal. The distinction, however, is whether Flynn deserved to be fired or to be in jail.
What put Flynn in legal jeopardy were the general’s statements to FBI investigators that purportedly were false, and allegedly given deliberately to mislead two federal investigators.
I express doubt here only because of media reports and leaks that Special Counsel Robert Mueller later either pressured Flynn for a confession, by strategies of financial exhaustion or leveraged him by threats to indict his son, or both.
Without that pressure, one wonders how Flynn might have explained his earlier alleged inconsistencies in recounting a private off the record conversation with a foreign diplomatic official to two FBI officials. That is, had he had adequate legal resources or not faced prosecutorial threats to indict his son, would he have later claimed that months earlier that he had been dishonest to Peter Strzok and his fellow FBI investigator?
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God in heaven Almighty, stop this perversion of “justice.”
Based on the evidence I’ve heard, I’d say Mueller needs to find a new job some place where he can’t affect other people’s lives. Of course,that’s just based on what I’ve heard & where do you actually find the truth these days?
This case is nothing about “lying.” That’s a complete BS set-up and flimsy “process crime.”
Flynn, or his son, were probably in the business of “consulting” for Turkey or some other nation, without having registered with the government. Mueller threatened Flynn and his family, so Flynn copped the flimsy “lying to the FBI” plea.
Mueller can’t get Trump, but he can prosecute Flynn to whitewash the corrupt entire 7th Fl of the FBI.
Flynn is bankrupted and just wants this 2 year legal nightmare to go away, so he’s not fighting anything.
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Bump!
Admitting guilt in Fed Court gets you a lighter sentence. It is... different from many State systems.
Basically, an admission of guilt is a standard part of any Fed deal when you take a plea. Does not matter if you believe it or not, if you are agreeing to a plea, you state that you regret your actions to grant a reduction in sentence time.
I really think that is all that is happening with Flynn’s “admission” of lying to the FBI.
I thinl Pence misspoke or lied.
I think Flynn is a fallguy for both sides.
Nice take.
How Comey, McCabe, Yates and the other Obama appointees can sleep is beyond me. I remember the line from Richard Widmark as the military prosecutor in Judgment at Nuremberg to the once distinguished German judge who imprisoned a Jewish man on false charges - “you lost the right to call yourself a judge the second you knowingly sent an innocent man to prison”. But do these wretches suffer for what they have done? do they have any conscience abusing the world’s best justice system, wrecking an innocent man’s life, bankrupting him, painting him as something he is not before the entire nation, creating ongoing anguish for his wife and family? Do they show the slightest sign of remorse over having abused their power and position? Do their careers suffer? I’m not so sure. I don’t see any prosecution ongoing of McCabe, Comey or the others - the Huber handoff appears to be a total fraud. And it all goes back to Trump having no control over who gets hired by his appointees. Rosenstein was recommended by Elijah Cummings!! This would be like President Hillary consulting Devin Nunes on who to pick.
Flynn may well turn out to be a world class hero.seems he may have been on a secret mission after leaving govt. and is pleading guilty so upcoming prosecutions are not endangered.If we know this than potus knows it as well and will take appropriate action when needed.
It is all easier to take when we just admit that the system is in fact corrupt and long has been corrupt.
At least the existence of the corruption is now more exposed and recognized for what it is by a growing segment of the population.
Until it is even more widely recognized as such, it will remain impossible to amass the force required to unravel it.
Sadly.
“I think Pence misspoke or lied.”
I always have wondered why Pence chose to handle Flynn’s supposedly private lie in such a public fashion.
Wouldn’t the normal instinct be to bury the affair in the typical Washington manner rather than cause a scandal for the new administration?
People use words daily in Washington to get around much bigger issues and contradictions.
The only thing I can do is LMAO because it is that funny. I liken this whole Russian idiocy to so many cartoons.
“Flynn may well turn out to be a world class hero.seems he may have been on a secret mission after leaving govt. and is pleading guilty so upcoming prosecutions are not endangered.”
What little bird dropped this?
I know VDH is using the “mysterious” characterization as a literary prop, because he, like many of us must understand the very nature of it.
As you said, it is a political prosecution, calculated, craven in its conception and execution.
He is a man being used as a tool to catch a bigger fish. It is criminal, and every American should be outraged.
As it is one entire political party is all for this travesty, and a good number of low information people are confused and assume this man has done something wrong, so he should be punished...”I guess...”
This angers and embarrasses me, as an American.
Great movie...the most powerful scene in that movie is when Spencer Tracy has dinner in a beer house with the widow of a Nazi officer who had been executed, and he had been sitting in court all day hearing about these terrible things Germans had done, and here he was in a beer hall of singing, jovial, carousing people who contrasted sharply with that. Like two different peoples...but the same.
My buddy liked the scene where the unrepentant Nazi was mouthing off as a helmeted MP behind him with a Garand stood there stoically, unmoving.
He thought the MP should have just smashed the stock of his Garand against the back of the Nazi’s head...I kind of liked that alternate version too!
I don’t believe Flynn lied about anything. He had no reason to lie. Furthermore, as former military intel, former DNI, he would know he was being wire-tapped when he talked to the Russians. By both sides.
The only reason he would have to lie, might be that as the president’s advisor on national security matters, they might not have what he considered a “need to know”. If you want to know, ask the president. But the agents who interviewed him, who had already seen the transcript, agreed that he didn’t lie.
I noticed how easily Pence turned on Flynn, and I haven’t had an ounce of respect for him since.
It should be noted that the FBI agent’s texts have all disappeared from that time period, and his report on his meeting with Flynn also has disappeared. The FBI are the ones hiding something. They are the ones who should be under a microscope.
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