Posted on 08/12/2018 6:40:01 AM PDT by Nextrush
"I feel it's possible somebody is lying. I don't know which side, or who, or it could be both. There's still two unattributed shots, and I feel like we're never going to know for sure who took them."
The lead juror in the trial of FBI Agent W. Joseph Astarita
It was back and forth like a "pendulum" for the man who led the jurors who came up with the not guilty verdicts at the trial of FBI Agent W. Joseph Astarita. Astarita was accused of lying about firing two shots at LaVoy Finicum as his truck went into the snow, one of them injuring Ryan Bundy.
It all happened on January 26, 2016...
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The Finicum family filed a suit naming Astarita and many others at federal, state and local level, plus there is another suit that is being worked on in name of two people who were passengers in Finicum's truck, Victoria Sharp and Ryan Payne.
Had Finicum not resisted arrest, none of this would have happened.
Nothing.
Bttt.
5.56mm
With the lower standard in a civil case, *hopefully* there will be some level of justice, but the guilty won’t really be punished.
If only we had a real DOJ that would prosecute the shooters for violating Finicum’s civil rights...
I know this. The government lies through its teeth. Government has no accountability for its illegal acts including lying and perjury.
The average citizen, however, is subject to great and coercive penalties and punishment for lying/perjury.
Finicum did exactly nothing positive the entire way, and plenty to hurt the others. Bragging that he was armed and wouldn’t be taken alive was stupid. Running from the cops was stupid. Endangering officers at the roadblock was stupid. Jumping out of the car and running like an idiot not following lawful commands was stupid. Making a move toward his formerly displayed and bragged upon gun was really stupid and ended his life.
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Had Finicum not resisted arrest, none of this would have happened.
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This would appear to be an unsupportable supposition. The site for the arrest was picked for its lethal advantage as a kill zone. Snipers were in place, indicating premeditation. A drone was circling overhead with a camera, broadcasting to agents watching the murder go down. Finicum was driving to a sheriff he knew to turn himself in, so how was he resisting arrest before he was murdered?
Good post.
The officers who shot Finicum were briefed that morning about where he wore his weapon and that he previously told the media he wouldn’t be taken alive. This wasn’t some spur of the moment arrest attempt.
This would appear to be an unsupportable supposition. The site for the arrest was picked for its lethal advantage as a kill zone.
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Finicum was initially stopped for arrest miles before the final road block. Other members of his group surrendered peacefully at that point.
Finicum was initially stopped for arrest miles before the final road block.
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But yet there was an ambush set up, farther up the road.
Almost like they didn’t want him to stop at the first one.
“Jumping out of the car and running like an idiot not following lawful commands was stupid. Making a move toward his formerly displayed and bragged upon gun was really stupid and ended his life.”
Roadblocks of that nature are illegal under well established federal case law regarding deadly force. It was on a highway, around a blind corner, with no escape route. This is more something you see in Iraq or in a 1930s cop movie. The very use of one IS deadly force just as if you started shooting. The use of one was unjustified use of deadly force.
He jumped out of the truck because they were shooting rounds into it. Staying in there to get murdered would have been stupid. Also exiting the truck was brave, maybe they won’t murder his companions if he gets away from them.
And he did not make a move for the gun on his belt under his heavy coat. Someone started shooting him with bean bags. Arms flailed at the hit and as he stumbled in deep snow. That’s what happens when you shoot someone with impact rounds. Those cops murdered him, plain and simple.
And the coward agents from F-troop didn’t even have the balls to own up to the shots they fired.
Justify his murder all you want. Lavoy had not and did not threaten anyone or commit a violent crime. He wasnt a killer or bank robber. He simply stated his intent to attempt to meet with the county sheriff. The Feds did not want to allow that.
https://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/oregon_standoff_sheriffs_stanc.html
Sheriff Palmer said it was a deliberate ambush. Set in an area with no cell, and around a curve with no chance for someone to successfully stop before impact at legal highways speeds. Under federal case law on deadly force, that in itself IS a use of deadly force.
There is a reason hard roadblocks are not used by cops these days unless deadly force is already justified.
The Sheriff admitted it was an ambush.
It’s like they were prepared for Finicum or any others resisting arrest.
He jumped out of the truck because they were shooting rounds into it. Staying in there to get murdered would have been stupid.
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His passengers stayed in the truck and they are alive today.
“Finicum was driving to a sheriff he knew to turn himself in, so how was he resisting arrest before he was murdered?”
And that Sheriff refers to it as an ambush. The bottom line is that F-troop set up an ambush and the “hostage rescue team” likes to pretend they are Delta or Seals.
There was no legal or moral reason to murder him.
Another deadly force rule is that when they are down, you had better instantly switch into rescuer and first air mode.
There were numerous cops surrounding him for 6 full minutes before anyone makes a move to check his condition.
Utterly shameful and more proof of murder.
Because they got busy murdering Lavoy. Had Lavoy stayed in the drivers seat the rounds would have continued to impact the truck and killed them too.
Ever notice that communist antifa and others can storm and occupy a federal ICE building in Oregon and no force was used and nobody was prosecuted?
But let some constitutionalists occupy a remote building at a closed game refuge in winter, they get deemed terrorists and get the full blown Federal militaristic response.
Funny how that works.
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