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Why Doesn't the Navy Have Battle Cruisers?
Naval Sea Systems Command ^ | May 16, 2018 | Kelley Stirling

Posted on 05/20/2018 11:16:21 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: crosdaddy

Congrats.


81 posted on 05/20/2018 4:52:58 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Thank You, I appreciate that. It hasn’t been easy to manufacture domestically for the last 30 years, it’s been a real grind, often without much return. I’ve got about another ten years in me, and the 5th generation has already been in 15 years, and hopefully keep it going.


82 posted on 05/20/2018 4:59:31 PM PDT by crosdaddy
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To: Lumper20

....……….I think your exactly right. I also think the reason we will never hear the truth about the McCain and Fitzgerald is that both incidents were, in some way, shape or form, directly or indirectly, tied to women being on board. The outcry from the left would be horrendous if the Navy told the truth.

A woman is a distraction in a group of men. Anyone that thinks a “rule” can just erase that reality is an idiot. Men that have been at sea for weeks are hornier than hell. Even a halfway cute gal in the midst of a group of young guys will get their attention off what it should be on! I do know. I’ve been on many US Warships (proudly) at sea for long periods. Thankfully I did not have to deal with any women on board. I was wound tight enough as it was.


83 posted on 05/20/2018 5:11:02 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Post-missile era: obsolete.

HMS Ulysses was Alistair MacLean’s first novel. He was a torpedoman on a British Battlecruiser in WWII, so he wrote a tale about one.


84 posted on 05/20/2018 5:36:48 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: Pelham
During the battle of the Philippine Sea, Willis Lee’s fast battleships and heavy cruisers provided a primary anti-aircraft screen for the carriers operating behind him. There was certainly a whole lot of American aircraft involved but their role was to hunt the Japanese rather than to protect Lee’s ships.

ntelligence had informed Spruance that the Japanese would not reach the area where the Americans were until June 19th. During the time that this took, Spruance organised his force so that it was 180 west of Tinian. Seven battleships were taken from task groups 58-1 and 58-4 to form a battleship force supported by four heavy cruisers and thirteen destroyers. The primary task of this awesome force was to stop the Japanese getting near the American aircraft carriers. The planes from task group 58-4 were used to give the battleship group air cover.

Now, is that protection from the Japanese surface forces or aircraft?

85 posted on 05/20/2018 5:38:55 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

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Because war is no longer ship on ship.

War is now an ICBM arcade.
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86 posted on 05/20/2018 5:41:01 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Cen-Tejas

You sailors know far more then I do about life on the ocean/sea. I can state even being in our basecamp about two days out of seven when I had a company of Rhade yards and great SF NCO’s was what is was. We had no damn room for any female. Hell, Martha Raye came bye between Christmas and New Years Day 68-69. I was west of Duc Lap SF camp with 32 yards both dates. We had a recon team in deep trouble on New Year’s Eve. I am damn glad they crossed the river into our RON position. I would be lost trying to accommodate women in SF.


87 posted on 05/20/2018 5:59:47 PM PDT by Lumper20
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To: Snickering Hound

The HMS Prince of Wales during the battle hit an iceberg...


88 posted on 05/20/2018 6:13:43 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: catman67

The Alaska was around for three years and fired in 2 bombardments of the Home Islands.

Not exactly an effecicent use of materials.


89 posted on 05/20/2018 6:23:45 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Lumper20

.………..lol...…….we all love women but not in a combat zone when we are trying to keep “ourselves” alive...………...


90 posted on 05/20/2018 7:52:49 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas
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To: ealgeone

” Now, is that protection from the Japanese surface forces or aircraft?”

It was for aircraft protection. Lee’s battleships and cruisers had been supplied with the top secret VT proximity shell. These shells had miniature radars and would explode when they simply got near their targets. ‘Close’ counts in horseshoes and proximity shells. This shell was a secret guarded like that of the atom bomb.

Lee’s fleet also would defend against any surface attack that Ozawa launched but it was set up to be a massive anti-aircraft gun line to engage anything that got past the combat air patrol fighters.


91 posted on 05/20/2018 10:47:24 PM PDT by Pelham (California, a subsidiary of Mexico, Inc.)
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To: Cen-Tejas

I agree 100% as walking the jungle, mountains, swamps etc. with your mind on surprising the enemy before he does you is tough enough without any damn distraction. We’d go in swamp areas and have to burn leeches off, and; the jungle was full of wait a minute vines, not to mention bamboo vipers and vine snakes. We’d have centipedes and scorpions in rocky areas ,and; at might I could not imagine figuring out how any woman could take a leak without making noise by going into the bush. I spoke to SF guys from Fort Campbell,KY and they told me those women being hyped by the military in Afghan were sorry as hell. They needed male Infantry or SF types to provide protection. This PC MC BS has ruined our regular units.


92 posted on 05/21/2018 6:22:30 AM PDT by Lumper20
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To: Lumper20

.………..and, any wonder why the Army, in order to retain any hope of having a force it could send into a battle, now, in effect, has a PC brigade or two to justify all the money it spends and the rest of the Army is Green Beret’s, Delta Force, Rangers and units we have never heard of.

Why? Well the PC Congress women and balless men have only been able to get women in special forces front lines once with dubious effect. Physical requirements keep em out and always will.


93 posted on 05/21/2018 6:37:03 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas
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To: Phlyer

Opponents could make armor penetrating missiles much faster than we could build, or restore to service, armored battleships.


94 posted on 05/21/2018 6:52:04 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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To: SauronOfMordor
Opponents could make armor penetrating missiles much faster than we could build, or restore to service, armored battleships.

Missiles? Hardly. It takes a long time to develop a new missile, particularly a large one that would have enough warhead - with heavy, armored case - to penetrate heavy armor. We are still using missiles developed 40 years ago (Harpoon, Tomahawk) and so are others (Exocet, Silkworm).

Could it be done? Eventually. Then they would face the problem of developing, building, stockpiling, deploying (in large quantities and great density to have a chance to do enough damage), maintaining, and training with multi-million dollar missiles that are only effective against a few specialized ships.

I never advocated building more battleships. Restoring to service our existing ones would not take that long (see the 80's when they did it). And if potential adversaries spent the resources to develop effective, armor-piercing, heavy missiles (Musashi took 17 hits by heavy armor-piercing bombs, but it was the 13 torpedo hits that sunk her, so it would take a lot of missiles), then we could laugh all the way to the bank when we just retired the battleships again. Economic warfare at its most effective.
95 posted on 05/22/2018 4:42:04 AM PDT by Phlyer
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To: Cen-Tejas

The same was true of Ranger school until Obama told the CG of the Infantry School at Benning that he’s be attending the graduation ceremony of two women. The women were marched slowly by the General. What a damn joke this PC MC BS is as is lowering physical standards for women. I know there is no way in hell any woman could hump those rucks plus the 50 mile forced marches. I doubt any would complete the map reading/compass course in that swamp/wet area. Hell, that land navigation course in the tight area was tough in 67.


96 posted on 05/22/2018 6:37:34 AM PDT by Lumper20
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To: Larry Lucido

ya id boil it down to accuracy in modern guidance systems. but then again, modern tanks can do figure 8s and stay locked onto a target... so, can they get a 16 inch barrel to lock onto a target 10 miles away in rolling seas and keep it under budget?? have to see it to believe it!


97 posted on 05/23/2018 5:30:46 PM PDT by sit-rep
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