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Do Roy Moore's Accusers Have False Memories?
A Janitor's View ^ | 11/29/17 | Reasonmclucus

Posted on 11/29/2017 9:26:09 AM PST by kathsua

The human brain is an unreliable memory device. It can forget events that happened and remember events that didn't.

I don't know if the allegations of inappropriate sexual behavior by Ray Moore 40 years ago are true or not. I do know that it is unlikely he would remember such casual affairs so many years in the past. Many men would forget such affairs in weeks, if not days. A young woman might consider an older man's attention significant, but to the older man the young woman is just another warm body who might be used and forgotten.

It is possible Moore doesn't remember the incidents because they didn't occur except in the brains of his accusers. False memory can play a role in allegations of sexual abuse of young people. Women and men sometimes falsely imagine they have had a sexual relationship with someone that didn't actually occur. Talk show host David Letterman once had a problem with a woman who thought she was his wife. A woman who was convinced she was married to singer Michael Jackson even challenged his will in court.

False memories in women can begin as sexual fantasies with "rape fantasies". Men sometimes misinterpret the concept as an indication that women want to be raped. Such fantasies might be more accurately described as "action adventure" fantasies. Males may fantasize about athletic achievements or perhaps imagine themselves as someone like James Bond or Marshall Matt Dillon. Females seem less inclined to fantasize about being involved in sports or fighting evil doers which leaves contact with men as the potential subject of physical fantasies.

The accounts given by Moore's accusers Leigh Corfman . and Beverly Young Nelson fit a pattern which could indicate they are fantasies. The plots of each involve a dangerous encounter with an older man in which each accuser escapes without being raped. Each is a damsel in distress who in effect rescues herself.

Memories can be affected by drug and alcohol abuse. Leigh Corfman's use of drugs and alcohol might have affected her memory of events from her youth to the extent that she might be confusing an old fantasy with an actual event.

Television can also affect memories of past events. Watching a program multiple times can lead to stronger memories of an event depicted on the program regardless o whether the event is real or fictional. Seeing a fictional event that is similar to an actual event or a fantasy event could result in the brain combining the events. As I read Nelson account of what she believed happened to her I saw two brief images. One video segment was a woman who seemed to be struggling. The other was of a car leaving an area in a hurry.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: falsememory; roymoore; sex
An interesting comment about women's fantasies. The media is far more likely to portray us as damsels in distress than heroines like Wonder Woman and Zena Warrior princess. When I was a teenager 30 was not just older -- tt was OLD.
1 posted on 11/29/2017 9:26:09 AM PST by kathsua
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To: kathsua

From one of the Naked Gun movies: “Maybe this will help. . . “, speaking of a little cash to get a guy to talk.


2 posted on 11/29/2017 9:33:11 AM PST by RatRipper (Unindicted co-conspirators: the Mainstream Media and the Democratic Party)
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To: kathsua

Many men would forget such affairs in weeks, if not days.


You’re kidding, right? You never forget a good groping. Never.


3 posted on 11/29/2017 9:34:25 AM PST by sparklite2 (I hereby designate the ongoing kerfuffle Diddle-Gate.)
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To: kathsua

They have Soros cash, which is all they need.


4 posted on 11/29/2017 9:36:11 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: kathsua

Moore just says they’re lying. Might as well leave it at that.


5 posted on 11/29/2017 9:41:23 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: kathsua
Here's the problem....How come they all had this same memory event one month before an election....That's not fantasy recollection, that's lying your a** off...

Wonder what her price was. No way that either Beverly or Leigh "came out" with their "fantasies" for "0" payback.

6 posted on 11/29/2017 9:44:06 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: sparklite2
You’re kidding, right?

When asked about sexual partners, men always report more than women, although, on average, you'd expect each gender would have the same amount of hetrosexual partners.

The lefty (feminist) explanation of the difference is "men lie."

I don't buy that for a second.

Men remember their sexual encounters. Ask a man how many women he's slept with, and he knows. He remembers fondly each "conquest."

A guy knows whether or not he slept with a woman.

Women, however, tend to forget many of those encounters. Either as denial, or say they "don't count."

Slept with the entire offensive line of the Dallas cowboys on a wild weekend?

Doesn't count.

7 posted on 11/29/2017 9:50:54 AM PST by Fido969 (In!)
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To: kathsua

That’s all very intellectual sounding and everything.
But really they just have a big wad of cash from Gloria Alred.


8 posted on 11/29/2017 9:51:37 AM PST by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: Fido969
on average, you'd expect each gender would have the same amount of hetrosexual partners.

Not at all. Outside of homosexuals, the hooker business is overwhelmingly female. I imagine 1,000 separate contacts per year would not be unheard of. There aren't a lot of Wilt Chamberlains around to offset that.
9 posted on 11/29/2017 10:02:00 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: kathsua

I’ve been studying this topic for many years. Elizabeth Loftus has the best research and has written several books on the subject.

Often wishful thinking becomes fact over time, especially when a person is rewarded for the revised story.


10 posted on 11/29/2017 10:02:13 AM PST by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: Fido969

Slept with the entire offensive line of the Dallas cowboys on a wild weekend?


Google Clara Bow and the USC football team sometime. LOL


11 posted on 11/29/2017 10:06:04 AM PST by sparklite2 (I hereby designate the ongoing kerfuffle Diddle-Gate.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

If there are 1000 women and 1000 men, and the only active female is a 1 hooker who has sex with 1000 men, and each man has no other partner, then each male and female will have, on average, one sexual partner.

Can you show an example where that wouldn’t be the case?


12 posted on 11/29/2017 10:07:25 AM PST by Fido969 (In!)
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To: kathsua

Female emotional consciousness is more likely to create memories than logical linear consciousness.


13 posted on 11/29/2017 10:08:14 AM PST by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: kathsua

Occams razor. Chicks want attention, get bitter as they age, and are prone to lying.


14 posted on 11/29/2017 10:14:34 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ... we.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Are you suggesting that all men go to prostitutes?


15 posted on 11/29/2017 11:06:24 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Nifster
Are you suggesting that all men go to prostitutes?

Of course not. The fact that there are prostitutes, and most probably have more than one customer, tells me that the curve of average # of coital partners are different for men than for women.

Besides prostitutes, there have always been some bar flies/"good time girl types, who have a lot more coital action than most women.
16 posted on 11/29/2017 11:10:13 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: kathsua
Mark Pendergrast is a nonfiction book author. He has two new books out just in the past October. He is interviewed by a friendly radio station local to Penn State University (friendly to the author, but with some questions about the behavior of the university in the Sandusky case).
chat with Mark Pendergrast – November 14, 2017 (about 18 minutes)

The Most Hated Man in America: Jerry Sandusky and the Rush to Judgment

Memory Warp: How the Myth of Repressed Memory Arose and Refuses to Die

The gravamen of the interview, and of the “Most Hated Man” book is that the Sandusky case was an abusive investigation/prosecution which actually didn’t unearth reliable evidence of anything at all. He says that it was all “recovered memories.” And the “Memory Warp” book is about the fragility of memory, and the fact that “recovered memories” - although quite real to the “rememberer” - are utterly fraudulent as any indication of actual reality.

I haven’t gotten the books yet, but expect to read them.

My interest in “recovered memories” traces back to the era when nursery workers - and fathers of daughters - were being judged guilty on the basis of utterly unreliable and even actually falsifiable “memories.” It is sort of what hypnosis is thought of as being - suggestions causing a change of “memory” which cannot readily be distinguished by the “rememberer” from truth. It is done by a horrible procedure, and the results are horrible. 2 million families were devastated by this hoax.

Mark Pendergrast indicates that nobody now believes “recovered memories” are actual memories, and nobody admits to relying on such “evidence.” But under another name, they did exactly that - in Pendergrast’s telling - in the Sandusky case.

As to the accusations against Moore, IMHO they aren’t worth a plug nickel. Too much bias in the way they were acquired and run with. You can “remember” anything from 38 years ago if you want to bad enough. Hogwash. It’s one of the reasons for a statute of limitations . . .

17 posted on 11/29/2017 11:26:54 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Presses can be 'associated,' or presses can be independent. Demand independent presses.)
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